Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[All-American]

Kelly has seemingly assumed the responsibility of showing all who are troubled by her excommunication that their concerns are ill-founded. Maybe there didn't have to be winners and losers in that battle, but there are, and it's not hard to pick them out.

[originalsocal]

She's still the ward gossip

Now that is funny!

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[Brian]

If you want to protect his privacy it's probably best just to say "we won't be issuing comment on why". When you qualify it with "...but it wasn't apostasy" you've probably said too much.

This seemed like a strange detail to include.
Which is better, to have a fling with another woman? Or have a fling with church history?

[All-American]

This seemed like a strange detail to include.
Which is better, to have a fling with another woman? Or have a fling with church history?

I think it necessary so people don't immediately discard everything he did as part of his ministry. We can see from those reacting to his excommunication that he did touch some lives and do some good. If he was excommunicated for apostasy, then every talk, sermon, or private counsel he gave would be affixed with an asterisk and disregarded. That's kind of going to happen anyway, I suppose, but this might preserve something that would otherwise be lost.

[Brian]

I think it necessary so people don't immediately discard everything he did as part of his ministry. We can see from those reacting to his excommunication that he did touch some lives and do some good. If he was excommunicated for apostasy, then every talk, sermon, or private counsel he gave would be affixed with an asterisk and disregarded. That's kind of going to happen anyway, I suppose, but this might preserve something that would otherwise be lost.

And it wouldn't if he was cheating, embezzling, or worse (Elder Lee) ?
I guess it serves to rank things. Some things are worse than others. And there is something worse than cheating on your wife.
I get that. I can see that in an ultra 'church comes first' mentality.

[All-American]

And it wouldn't if he was cheating, embezzling, or worse (Elder Lee) ?
I guess it serves to rank things. Some things are worse than others. And there is something worse than cheating on your wife.
I get that. I can see that in an ultra 'church comes first' mentality.

I don't believe in ranking sins. I wasn't suggesting or implying anything of the sort. But I do see a significant distinction in kind that affects how one might react to his excommunication.

Imagine you were someone he helped through a personal trial by teaching you some principal of the gospel. Had he been excommunicated for apostasy, you may well wonder what if anything he said was truly in line with the teachings of the church, and whether you should believe any of it. With this clarification, you might understand he was excommunicated not for teaching contrary to church doctrine but for failure to live it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Could it be that he requested that it be announced this way?


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[Brian]

I don't believe in ranking sins. I wasn't suggesting or implying anything of the sort. But I do see a significant distinction in kind that affects how one might react to his excommunication.

Imagine you were someone he helped through a personal trial by teaching you some principal of the gospel. Had he been excommunicated for apostasy, you may well wonder what if anything he said was truly in line with the teachings of the church, and whether you should believe any of it. With this clarification, you might understand he was excommunicated not for teaching contrary to church doctrine but for failure to live it.

Good points.
I don't like ranking them either, but I would put victimless sins (apostasy) below a victim sin (cheating, abuse,etc)

However counsel from a cheater would make me wonder

[Brian]

Could it be that he requested that it be announced this way?


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Kind of my point.
The emphasis of "At least I didn't do THAT" says something.

The church isn't crying itself to sleep every night.

[wuapinmon]

Kelly has seemingly assumed the responsibility of showing all who are troubled by her excommunication that their concerns are ill-founded. Maybe there didn't have to be winners and losers in that battle, but there are, and it's not hard to pick them out.

I disagree. It's entirely possible to think she is immature, uncivil, unmindful, a terrible author, a horrible figurehead, and perhaps unwell, and still think that excommunication in absentia was unjust. I don't voice an opinion on her excommunication anymore because I don't know the details of her excommunication, and her behavior since then lets me know that she isn't a sympathetic person and that she has tried to use her experience to benefit herself financially (though she's no Dehlin). That said, if someone's treatment is unjust, it shouldn't matter what we think of the person. Justice should not be a respecter of persons.

[Moliere]

Am I the only one that likes to rank sins?


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[Lost Student]

Am I the only one that likes to rank sins?


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Maybe not in order of severity/seriousness, but I might think about which are more enjoyable (or at least would be ).

[Sleeping in EQ]

Letter from the Church: Sister Kelly, you are loved and we hope you return to the fellowship of the Saints.

The Bloggernacle: Kate, you're a greedy, insincere, nasty woman with a bad haircut. Good riddance.

[All-American]

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I disagree. It's entirely possible to think she is immature, uncivil, unmindful, a terrible author, a horrible figurehead, and perhaps unwell, and still think that excommunication in absentia was unjust. I don't voice an opinion on her excommunication anymore because I don't know the details of her excommunication, and her behavior sense then lets me know that she isn't a sympathetic person and that she has tried to use her experience to benefit herself financially (though she's no Dehlin). That said, if someone's treatment is unjust, it shouldn't matter what we think of the person. Justice should not be a respecter of persons.

In absentia? Please. She was all but standing outside the door.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Kind of my point.
The emphasis of "At least I didn't do THAT" says something.

The church isn't crying itself to sleep every night.

Meh. I think you are making it into a bigger issue than it warrants. AA's explanation sounds plausible. One can differentiate circumstances surrounding sins without ranking them.