Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the News

[falafel]

Sounds like donuthole


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Bwhahahaha!

[myboynoah]

He drives a red jeep and lives in Sin City.

Is there a PAC12 bumper sticker on that red jeep?

[Moliere]

Some folks need validation.

It what is obviously not shocking, I'll disagree with you a bit here. I think this is an oversimplification akin to "people leave the church because they just want to sin or were offended." While most of these public cases are ridiculous, the BYU-I being even more so, I know several people who have left and have tried to be silent about it but their a Mormon family and friends just won't stop bugging them. They finally take their issues to the public forum in an effort to get people to back off. I know that's the minority, but it happens.

For better or worse, Mormonism is engrained in almost every aspect of some families lives, and having a child go in a different path causes some families to panic and make irrational decisions. Flystripper must have a pretty cool family, just like PAC.


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[Green Monstah]

Not surprising that Moli takes the podcast-friendly angle on the issue.

[Jeff Lebowski]

It what is obviously not shocking, I'll disagree with you a bit here. I think this is an oversimplification akin to "people leave the church because they just want to sin or were offended." While most of these public cases are ridiculous, the BYU-I being even more so, I know several people who have left and have tried to be silent about it but their a Mormon family and friends just won't stop bugging them. They finally take their issues to the public forum in an effort to get people to back off. I know that's the minority, but it happens.

So the reason your ex-mo friends are obnoxious on social media is because of the bad behavior of their TBM friends and family?

Good heavens, you are going to kill it doing podcasts.

[Flystripper]

It what is obviously not shocking, I'll disagree with you a bit here. I think this is an oversimplification akin to "people leave the church because they just want to sin or were offended." While most of these public cases are ridiculous, the BYU-I being even more so, I know several people who have left and have tried to be silent about it but their a Mormon family and friends just won't stop bugging them. They finally take their issues to the public forum in an effort to get people to back off. I know that's the minority, but it happens.

For better or worse, Mormonism is engrained in almost every aspect of some families lives, and having a child go in a different path causes some families to panic and make irrational decisions. Flystripper must have a pretty cool family, just like PAC.


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It makes my mom sad, and she says stuff from time to time, but over the years she has come to accept it and our relationship has not suffered. We are a pretty small family by Mormon standards though, so that probably helps with me being able to do my thing without having to feel like I have to constantly justify my actions and beliefs.

[Flystripper]

So the reason your ex-mo friends are obnoxious on social media is because of the bad behavior of their TBM friends and family?

Good heavens, you are going to kill it doing podcasts.

Hobbies. People need hobbies. I am just glad my hobbies don't include religious or political arguments on SM.

[myboynoah]

The reason is pretty clear. It's called the fulfillment of prophecy.

[Moliere]

So the reason your ex-mo friends are obnoxious on social media is because of the bad behavior of their TBM friends and family?

Good heavens, you are going to kill it doing podcasts.

They tend to respond in kind, especially when some of the biting comments from family and friends are specifically directed at them. They shouldn't respond in kind, but they are human, so they do what pretty much every human does when pushed far enough. Some of the things that I've heard from people I thought were normal, rational members of the church that were directed at disaffected family have been incredibly hurtful. Everything from comparing them to Satan to them being the cause of their grandkids being damned to hell.

Like I said, it's not the majority but I've seen it in MJs family and in families in my stake.

Now, I look forward to your irrationally over generalized retort.


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[Omaha 680]

It what is obviously not shocking, I'll disagree with you a bit here. I think this is an oversimplification akin to "people leave the church because they just want to sin or were offended." While most of these public cases are ridiculous, the BYU-I being even more so, I know several people who have left and have tried to be silent about it but their a Mormon family and friends just won't stop bugging them. They finally take their issues to the public forum in an effort to get people to back off. I know that's the minority, but it happens.

For better or worse, Mormonism is engrained in almost every aspect of some families lives, and having a child go in a different path causes some families to panic and make irrational decisions. Flystripper must have a pretty cool family, just like PAC.


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Sure, but like you said that's a small minority of cases. Maybe it's as simple as the old theory (endorsed by the BOM!) that chill members make chill apostates and zealot members make zealot apostates. Of course I don't know that this can account for Byron Marchant.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Hobbies. People need hobbies. I am just glad my hobbies don't include religious or political arguments on SM.

Fishing is the best hobby!

[creekster]

Isnt it possible that all these descriptions are correct, depending on the specific example? I have seen families of apostates lash out in surprisingly negative ways that have led the apostates to react in an equally negative manner. That said, there are plenty of examples within my experience of people leaving the church that just cant walk away. I dont get it at all and it might just be the need for validation, as Lebowski suggests. But even if all of these descriptions are correct, it sure seems like there is a cadre of people who react to ANYTHING the church does (or doesnt do) in the most negative and public way possible. I guess they need more coaching.

[DrumNFeather]

I packed up and moved away from UD...and he never answers his phone, so, easy peasy!

[Flystripper]

Fishing is the best hobby!

yeah man!

[Goatnapper'96]

Sure, but like you said that's a small minority of cases. Maybe it's as simple as the old theory (endorsed by the BOM!) that chill members make chill apostates and zealot members make zealot apostates. Of course I don't know that this can account for Byron Marchant.

The narrative of the mormon church appeals to people who have a need to be right. So I tend to think that demographic is disproportionately represented. I don't know if a higher percentage of that group apostatizes but my guess is they are very vocal when they do. They might leave mormonism but the pathological need to be right does not seem to leave them.

The cool part is the guilt free ability of calling those types assholes after they leave and are unable to leave it alone. That is a pretty cool thing, IMO.

Mostly I just think it is personality more than anything else.