183 Semiannual General Conference Thread

[New Mexican Disaster]

It's as apparent as ever what TSM is doing. Lowering the age of females to serve missions. Allowing gays to be active/participating members of the church while being open about being gay. The church not taking a stance on the BSA vote on membership. Adding "Care for the poor" as a quasi-fourth mission of the church. Leaving a legacy of talks about caring for the elderly and helpless. Calling DFU into the 1st presidency and thus giving him more influence and time to talk. Allowing Marlin Jensen to apoogize for the church's role in Prop 8.

GBH was great, but he was a hardlining pharisee at times. He also left the Prop 8 stuff (TSM is at fault for some of that) as well as the CCC mall to TSM to finish up as projects. TSM is obvious behind those things, but we was essential left them in a way and that's a tough hand to be dealt.

I think TSM has firmly put himself into my trifecta of favorite prophets along with DOM and JS.

This is a very optimistic point of view. I love it.

[Pheidippides]

It's as apparent as ever what TSM is doing. Lowering the age of females to serve missions. Allowing gays to be active/participating members of the church while being open about being gay. The church not taking a stance on the BSA vote on membership. Adding "Care for the poor" as a quasi-fourth mission of the church. Leaving a legacy of talks about caring for the elderly and helpless. Calling DFU into the 1st presidency and thus giving him more influence and time to talk. Allowing Marlin Jensen to apoogize for the church's role in Prop 8.

GBH was great, but he was a hardlining pharisee at times. He also left the Prop 8 stuff (TSM is at fault for some of that) as well as the CCC mall to TSM to finish up as projects. TSM is obvious behind those things, but we was essential left them in a way and that's a tough hand to be dealt.

I think TSM has firmly put himself into my trifecta of favorite prophets along with DOM and JS.

I hope you are right. GBH, in hindsight, was one of the most horrible people I've ever looked up to, and I hate him more than any of the traditionally vilified church leaders (JFieldingS, HBL, ETB, BRM, etc.). I realize that is a strong statement and that others will disagree with me strongly, but in my opinion he was a lying shyster con man with a glib tongue and media awareness.

TSM, on the other hand, has made real and good changes and has always emphasized (at least in my memory) the sort of personal service that I think Christianity is - or at least should be - about. May he live a long time.

[Sleeping in EQ]

Maybe, but even if you are right the talk will help the faithful interact more compassionately with the disaffected.

Do you actually read what you write?

[All-American]

I hope you are right. GBH, in hindsight, was one of the most horrible people I've ever looked up to, and I hate him more than any of the traditionally vilified church leaders (JFieldingS, HBL, ETB, BRM, etc.). I realize that is a strong statement and that others will disagree with me strongly, but in my opinion he was a lying shyster con man with a glib tongue and media awareness.

I would have much preferred you not say such things.

[Pheidippides]

I would have much preferred you not say such things.

And I would prefer that I didn't have reason to think this. But we're both out of luck.

[Omaha 680]

I hope you are right. GBH, in hindsight, was one of the most horrible people I've ever looked up to, and I hate him more than any of the traditionally vilified church leaders (JFieldingS, HBL, ETB, BRM, etc.). I realize that is a strong statement and that others will disagree with me strongly, but in my opinion he was a lying shyster con man with a glib tongue and media awareness.

Yikes. Long live the general conference thread.

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[eldiente]

And I would prefer that I didn't have reason to think this. But we're both out of luck.

Go for a run. You need a chill pill

[All-American]

Irony of ironies. I switch over from the "family choir" to an ESPN channel, which at that moment is showing a commercial about doing damage to their eardrums.

[CardiacCoug]

Packer calling out the gays: those without natural affection. Come on gays -- make your affection a little more natural!

[woot]

And I would prefer that I didn't have reason to think this. But we're both out of luck.

What's your basis for it? I don't have any strong feelings toward GBH specifically, but I also haven't thought about it.

[Pheidippides]

What's your basis for it? I don't have any strong feelings toward GBH specifically, but I also haven't thought about it.

Comparison of various statements he's made with the things he actually knew or said in other situations (some of which is information I have gained privately and am not willing to share) that indicate extreme duplicity. Part of it is also no doubt self-projection of my own hatred of the person and church member I was at that time and the esteem I held him in at the time as well. It's not that I think he was an evil person; it's just that I think he valued the PR aspect of the church above all else, including honesty.

Again, my opinion, and I said I didn't think that would be a popular or welcome. I don't share it with very many people, but it's relevant to my exact opposite feeling about TSM, who I quite like. The very thing that makes it such a controversial opinion is the reason I have it - he was so beloved, including by me.

I just got done listening to the DFU talk, which was spectacular.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I hope you are right. GBH, in hindsight, was one of the most horrible people I've ever looked up to, and I hate him more than any of the traditionally vilified church leaders (JFieldingS, HBL, ETB, BRM, etc.). I realize that is a strong statement and that others will disagree with me strongly, but in my opinion he was a lying shyster con man with a glib tongue and media awareness.

TSM, on the other hand, has made real and good changes and has always emphasized (at least in my memory) the sort of personal service that I think Christianity is - or at least should be - about. May he live a long time.

Oh brother.

[Pheidippides]

Oh brother.

It's my opinion. I don't expect you to share it, understand it or agree with it. I'm not stating it as fact - it's inherently subjective anyway - but this is an opinion I've had for a few years now.

Also, is this my first ever "Oh brother"? If not, it's been a while.

[All-American]

D. Todd appears to be working to fill his hate mail quota.

[Jeff Lebowski]

D. Todd appears to be working to fill his hate mail quota.

Sheesh. No kidding.

No more manly women!