If a female tried to get into the priesthood session of GC...

[smokymountainrain]

Seems like this is becoming a trend. When there is a stake conference coming up with a visiting authority, they pick some people from the stake to visit. Usually some combination of people who have wavered from attending or have some difficult circumstance they're dealing with. From what I've heard, they can be pretty low key - typically a "We love you and miss you" kind of visit. But it wouldn't surprise me to hear of some being more frank in making an invitation for someone to return.

I agree with you that it would be interesting to hear how the visit goes and what they have to say. But I can see P-diddy's point in feeling like things are going well and not wanting to shake it up.

Oh, I understand where Nik is coming from, but being the selfish SOB I am, I think would be really interesting to have Nik meet with a member of the 1st quorum of the seventy and report back to us.

[byu71]

Interesting.

Reminds me of something. I was talking to my brother last week and he said there is a couple in his neighborhood that everyone had been gently fellowshipping and trying to activate over the years. Just as they started attending church, one of the bishopric members came asked the husband's permission to extend a calling to the wife. He responded, "Why are you asking me? You should be asking her. She is an adult, she can make her own decisions." The call was then extended to the wife and she politely declined. Bishopric member returned to the husband and told him that as the head of his household, it was his duty to call his wife to repentance and convince her to accept the calling. He told the guy to bug off and they are no longer interested in church. Neighbors now want to strangle bishopric member.

Wow, just wow. This guy in the Bishpric has to be the exception these days.

There are plenty of us out there looking for an excuse not to go to church or participate that it makes me wonder if sometimes these stories aren't exaggerated a bit.

[Paperback Writer]

Seems like this is becoming a trend. When there is a stake conference coming up with a visiting authority, they pick some people from the stake to visit. Usually some combination of people who have wavered from attending or have some difficult circumstance they're dealing with. From what I've heard, they can be pretty low key - typically a "We love you and miss you" kind of visit. But it wouldn't surprise me to hear of some being more frank in making an invitation for someone to return.

I agree with you that it would be interesting to hear how the visit goes and what they have to say. But I can see P-diddy's point in feeling like things are going well and not wanting to shake it up.

Maybe leadership is trying to better understand why people choose to leave. Maybe. I'd like to think so, anyway. I'd also like to think such understanding could lead to reforms in the church. But don't understand why they would want to meet with the entire family.

[FMCoug]

Maybe leadership is trying to better understand why people choose to leave. Maybe. I'd like to think so, anyway. I'd also like to think such understanding could lead to reforms in the church. But don't understand why they would want to meet with the entire family.

Classic passive aggression of course. They'll talk to kids and ask if they're missing primary, mutual, scouts, etc.

[Pheidippides]

Interesting.

Reminds me of something. I was talking to my brother last week and he said there is a couple in his neighborhood that everyone had been gently fellowshipping and trying to activate over the years. Just as they started attending church, one of the bishopric members came asked the husband's permission to extend a calling to the wife. He responded, "Why are you asking me? You should be asking her. She is an adult, she can make her own decisions." The call was then extended to the wife and she politely declined. Bishopric member returned to the husband and told him that as the head of his household, it was his duty to call his wife to repentance and convince her to accept the calling. He told the guy to bug off and they are no longer interested in church. Neighbors now want to strangle bishopric member.

This is the less effective missionary guide example.

Area President? What does that mean. Isn't the Area President - at least as I understand it - generally a member of the 1st Quorum of the 70? Or is it just a lowly Area Authority? If it is the Area President, you need to accept that meeting and report back.

I'll have to go back and look. May be just a counselor. Pretty sure hes just an Area Authority Seventy. He's a parent of a friend, so him being there is not a net positive. Like I said, I'm trying to respect my friends' beliefs as they have respected my choices, so I don't want to get into a battle with anybody's hardliner dad.

The request is part of the usual Stake Conference home visits, btw, or at least that's how I read the tea leaves. It's not a special meeting just for me, although obviously I'm on a list.

[byu71]

Maybe leadership is trying to better understand why people choose to leave. Maybe. I'd like to think so, anyway. I'd also like to think such understanding could lead to reforms in the church. But don't understand why they would want to meet with the entire family.

Probably a 70 and SP visited a family that was semi-active for some reason. The SP wishing to curry favor sent a letter months later telling the 70 the wonders his visit did for the family. He then shared it with the brethern and it became something they are all doing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Wow, just wow. This guy in the Bishpric has to be the exception these days.

There are plenty of us out there looking for an excuse not to go to church or participate that it makes me wonder if sometimes these stories aren't exaggerated a bit.

I doubt it. I happen to know this guy and it is par for the course. A few years ago he announced to his family that MOTAB is the only music what would be permitted in the home. One night he discovered that his wife had slipped out to the car and was listening to some music (non-MOTAB) on the radio. So he got his tools and took the radio out of car. Really swell guy.

Guys like this should not be in leadership positions. They should be in therapy.

[smokymountainrain]

This is the less effective missionary guide example.



I'll have to go back and look. May be just a counselor. Pretty sure hes just an Area Authority Seventy. He's a parent of a friend, so him being there is not a net positive. Like I said, I'm trying to respect my friends' beliefs as they have respected my choices, so I don't want to get into a battle with anybody's hardliner dad.

The request is part of the usual Stake Conference home visits, btw, or at least that's how I read the tea leaves. It's not a special meeting just for me, although obviously I'm on a list.

That makes more sense. I don't blame you for declining.

[San Juan Sun]

You should be honered Nik, they actually want you back!

If I were an Exec Sec, setting up a meeting with a GA/AA and stake prez with a family with significant concerns about historiocity... I would email both spouses. But I don't think it's a major faux paus to only email one.

[byu71]

I doubt it. I happen to know this guy and it is par for the course. A few years ago he announced to his family that MOTAB is the only music what would be permitted in the home. One night he discovered that his wife had slipped out to the car and was listening to some music (non-MOTAB) on the radio. So he got his tools and took the radio out of car. Really swell guy.

Guys like this should not be in leadership positions. They should be in therapy.

I am not saying there aren't guys like that, just not as many as one would think.

I will bet he is a treat to be around in other area's of his life also. He is probably seen as a pain in the butt at work and if he has kids that play sports, the coaches probably don't enjoy his company.

[smokymountainrain]

I doubt it. I happen to know this guy and it is par for the course. A few years ago he announced to his family that MOTAB is the only music what would be permitted in the home. One night he discovered that his wife had slipped out to the car and was listening to some music (non-MOTAB) on the radio. So he got his tools and took the radio out of car. Really swell guy.

Guys like this should not be in leadership positions. They should be in therapy.

Gotta be addicted to porn and simply trying to compensate.

[Sullyute]

I doubt it. I happen to know this guy and it is par for the course. A few years ago he announced to his family that MOTAB is the only music what would be permitted in the home. One night he discovered that his wife had slipped out to the car and was listening to some music (non-MOTAB) on the radio. So he got his tools and took the radio out of car. Really swell guy.

Guys like this should not be in leadership positions. They should be in therapy.

Wow. That dude has problems.

[kccougar]

I don't really see it as poor form. My wife and I never get the same emails from anyone. Family, friends, church. They email one of us, and we discuss it with the other and respond.

I thought that was how 99.9% of everything worked.

Agreed. I've never had the RS President ask my permission to come to our home, and I wouldn't expect it. If my EQ President wanted to visit, I wouldn't expect him to copy my wife on an email.

[Pheidippides]

You should be honered Nik, they actually want you back!

Either that, or they listened to my most recent podcast and want to hit me for speaking evil of the Lord's anointed. I know some people in the stake heard it because I got a message or two after that.

(I think the chances that either the SP or the 70 know of the podcast at all is very small, not that I particularly care).

[Jeff Lebowski]

I am not saying there aren't guys like that, just not as many as one would think.

I will bet he is a treat to be around in other area's of his life also. He is probably seen as a pain in the butt at work and if he has kids that play sports, the coaches probably don't enjoy his company.

I think this is pretty rare behavior (thank goodness).