New LDS Church Website: Mormons and Gays

[swampfrog]

The mom started out in the John Dehlin interview talking about how concerned she was about the Savannah publicity and had no idea it would get like this and really didn't know what to think about it. But then she ended the interview sobbing about the gay LDS teen suicides and demanding action and how she's so happy Savannah could be part of something that could cause some change. It's not wrong for her to sob over this issue. And it might be important enough for people to take drastic action like stage and record events in LDS F&T meetings. But let's own what we do.

I think I've been consistent since my first post that I'm simply gathering information that contradicts the spin. I've tried to find out about the mother and her role in this. I'm constantly surprised by the amount of information that you can find just by clicking things. This may be the best evidence I've found that suggests the mother has an agenda or at minimum in a very conflicted role. I feel sorry for all involved, especially the younger kids.

From Reddit, this same user has identified herself as the mom:

This is my TBM hubby's experience almost to a "T". He's holding on tight because he was spared after a prayer on his knees. It's so hard, because I wouldn't want to take away whatever it was that got him through that shit, but damn I'm sick of my kids and husband being Mormon.

[jay santos]

I think I've been consistent since my first post that I'm simply gathering information that contradicts the spin. I've tried to find out about the mother and her role in this. I'm constantly surprised by the amount of information that you can find just by clicking things. This may be the best evidence I've found that suggests the mother has an agenda or at minimum in a very conflicted role. I feel sorry for all involved, especially the younger kids.

From Reddit, this same user has identified herself as the mom:

I get involved with this stuff way more than I should. I'm on the side of the ProgMo's most of the time. I would like to see change in LGBT policies and doctrines. I'm more likely to take the critical side than the apologist side on a number of historical and political issues. But I'm really "triggered" by those, especially on the Exmo side but also on the faithful (usually Apologists) side, who manipulate situations, or use what I think are unfair tactics. Especially to embarrass or make fun of the church. I think this whole episode is crap.

[swampfrog]

Your kid situation is very different from mine.

So, either I'm raising a bunch of heartless bastards or you're raising a bunch of overly-sensitive bleeding hearts. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but the ways our kids responded to the situation are clearly very different.

My Mother-in-law, my wife, and my 3 daughters all have an innate natural response to relieve anyone's pain, perceived or actual. It's a quality I admire greatly that drives me crazy.

[Copelius]

Your kid situation is very different from mine. I discussed it with my kids: daughter - age 13, son - age 15, daughter - age 17, daughter - age 21. We were all in the car going to get frozen custard at the new Nielsen's Frozen Custard stand that just opened up near our house (custard review: good but way overpriced - not a good value). This is how the conversation went:

BFM: Hey, did you guys see the video of that 12 year old girl coming out in testimony meeting?
Daughter13: Yeah, I watched it.

BFM: What did you think?
Daughter13: Whatever, I don't care.

BFM: Are all your friends on social media talking about it?
Son15, Daughter17: I haven't heard anything about it. None of my friends care about it.

BFM: Do you think the church should let gay people be married in the temple? (NOTE: I'm against the government being in the "marriage" business. I think the government should provide for legal civil unions of all people, straight or gay, and not recognize any ceremony performed by any religion. Separate the church and state. I also think the church needs to change the definition off the law of chastity because the "legally and lawfully married" language essentially means the church is outsourcing the definition of chastity to a third-party.)
All in unison: No

BFM: But that means in the eyes of the church they couldn't have sex without sinning. Do you think it's fair that the church essentially requires gay people to be celibate their whole lives?
Son15: Daughter21 is never going to find a man so she is going to have to be celibate her entire life, so, whatever. I don't care.
Daughter21: Shut up Son15. You are a loser and no girl will ever marry you so you better hope you turn out gay.
Daughter17: I wonder what flavors of frozen custard they have?
Daughter12: I'll be pissed if they don't have strawberry.
Son15: Strawberry sucks and you are an idiot.

...

The conversation devolved from there.

So, either I'm raising a bunch of heartless bastards or you're raising a bunch of overly-sensitive bleeding hearts. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but the ways our kids responded to the situation are clearly very different.

Apparently the apple didn't fall very far.

[Flystripper]

I'd say younger. If it's ok to marry the prophet of god "several months before [one's] 15th birthday", it should be ok to declare one's sexuality by then.

well played

[BigFatMeanie]

Apparently the apple didn't fall very far.

I bust my buttons with pride every time one of my kids has a woe and one of their siblings tells them, "Suck it up and stop being such a baby!".

[Jeff Lebowski]

I bust my buttons with pride every time one of my kids has a woe and one of their siblings tells them, "Suck it up and stop being such a baby!".

This is what good parenting looks like, folks.

[swampfrog]

I bust my buttons with pride every time one of my kids has a woe and one of their siblings tells them, "Suck it up and stop being such a baby!".

Hopefully that isn't followed by "...walks away and lets them bleed out on the floor."

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Lol. So much for ER and TKDs theory.

You'll have to bookmark this post because neither of them will swing by for any posting until there is a negative story about Mormonism.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I think it is important to interject that mo/progmo/exmo podcasts are all boring and it is waste to listen to them. What's next, people quoting from Kate Kelly's appearance on the Celestial Sex podcast.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think it is important to interject that mo/progmo/exmo podcasts are all boring and it is waste to listen to them. What's next, people quoting from Kate Kelly's appearance on the Celestial Sex podcast.

Whoa... wait a minute. Please tell this isn't a joke.

[MartyFunkhouser]

Whoa... wait a minute. Please tell this isn't a joke.

I wish it wasn't a joke.
https://player.fm/series/celestial-sex/kate-kelly

[old_gregg]

I wish it wasn't a joke.
https://player.fm/series/celestial-sex/kate-kelly

madre de dios

[taekwondave]

The little girl is podcasting now? Oh boy.

Off with her head!

[taekwondave]

In addition to running a 4.3 40 mtr dash TKD went to the mormon church once so he is pretty much an expert on what goes on!

It was 4.39, but thanks for the shout out.

*hand-timed so I'm willing to knock .03 off there. 4.42 it was.