Women teaching patriarchy to women.

[Indy Coug]

Also, you could make a very long list of things the Mormon church does or has done that Christ never did. I can imagine that some people of faith would like the test you are using, but I don't think it is the best one for you.

So what are we to take from Christ's homogenous population of the Apostleship during his life on earth?

1. He was lazy and just grabbed a bunch of guys nearby

2. He simply didn't think it was important enough in this particular instance to set the perfect example by broadening his demographics to ensure he set the proper tone for future generations of church members

3. He had good reasons for keeping it limited to male Jews, which are not particularly clear to anyone

I'm sure you could conjure up a bunch of other potential reasons. But it appears to me that Christ was being exclusive.

It may very well be the modern church has done and said a bunch of things that Christ didn't do and say during his mortal ministry, but that has absolutely no bearing on who he ordained as his apostles -- Christ is the sole owner of that particular item.

Christ was a revolutionary that set aside the Mosaic Law, claimed he was the Son of God, established a new, higher law and took on the religious establishment. He wasn't exactly shrinking from controversy or adversity because of the things he did and said, so why didn't he go the extra step during his life to include others besides male Jews as part of his priesthood leadership?

[Moliere]

Please do some more research. Regardless, even if she was an apostle, there is certainly no Category A evidence she was ordained by Christ himself.

Right, because if you are ordained by Christ that is a totally different thing than being ordained by one of his servants. Totally different. The two are not even close to the same

[UtahDan]

So what are we to take from Christ's homogenous population of the Apostleship during his life on earth?

Is that for me? You have to know how I'm going to answer that.

[Indy Coug]

Right, because if you are ordained by Christ that is a totally different thing than being ordained by one of his servants. Totally different. The two are not even close to the same

I hope you haven't thrown out your back ducking everything today. Christ ordained only male Jews as apostles. There is no evidence to the contrary -- both in the New Testament and in 3rd Nephi.

[Indy Coug]

Is that for me? You have to know how I'm going to answer that.

It's for anyone.

[Moliere]

I hope you haven't thrown out your back ducking everything today. Christ ordained only male Jews as apostles. There is no evidence to the contrary -- both in the New Testament and in 3rd Nephi.

I'm learning from the Triple lIndy master...

[DU Ute]

What a preposterous idea that two people making decisions where one has the "tie-breaking vote" are equals. One person's view only matters if it agrees with the other's.

[TripletDaddy]

I'm learning from the Triple lIndy master...

ha. don't let Indy boss you around. He thinks he is at home talking to his wife.

[Sullyute]

I hope you haven't thrown out your back ducking everything today. Christ ordained only male Jews as apostles. There is no evidence to the contrary -- both in the New Testament and in 3rd Nephi.

I thought that Lehi was from the line of Ephraim through Joseph and not Judah.

[Indy Coug]

I thought that Lehi was from the line of Ephraim through Joseph and not Judah.

If you want to split hairs, fine. The male adherents of the Mosaic Law that belong to the 12 tribes of Israel.

[Moliere]

If you want to split hairs, fine. The male adherents of the Mosaic Law that belong to the 12 tribes of Israel.

And they weren't apostles, they were disciples

[DU Ute]

This kind of bullshit pisses me off.

My 5 year old is coloring pictures of the apostles ties as they speak. After she is done coloring, she runs to another room to play with her little sister. When a new speaker comes up, we call her in to color the tie. My wife just called her to come in her for something else, but she came running in expecting to see a new tie to color.

When she saw it was Julie Beck she said, "A girl? I don't want a girl to talk."

I think she's ready for her own CB account.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=8442249

[Ma'ake]

And they weren't apostles, they were disciples

The Gospel of Mary Magdalene was tossed at Nicea, right? Why would Mormons *not* be interested in what got stripped by the Catholics?

[Indy Coug]

Counseling Together in Marriage

[Sullyute]

Counseling Together in Marriage

I liked the opening quote:

During one meeting Bob said to me, “I try to preside and get things done, but when I come up with ideas of what we need to do, she won’t sustain the priesthood!”

Man what is wrong with that woman?!