Mass resignation event tomorrow (6/30/12)

[Katy Lied]

I just wanted to say these are two of the funniest things I've read in my short time here.

I thought MBN's was especially funny.

[YOhio]

I thought MBN's was especially funny.

KL never likes my jokes.

[SeattleUte]

The reason I say so far as I know is that I would not expect an organization like the LDS Church to provide me due process even though it mimicks trial process (like Stalin's show trials did).

[TripletDaddy]

In an unrelated story, mass turnout expected for BYU pre-game tailgates this football season!

[UtahDan]

In an unrelated story, mass turnout expected for BYU pre-game tailgates this football season!

Do you have any pull with Fred Davis? I could really use your help, if so.

[Blueintheface]

I have no idea why you are framing this in terms of the first amendment.

Why are you poking at the manner in which they choose to resign? It is highly ceremonial and symbolic, which is probably a reflection of an aspect of the Mormon culture that these people can't leave behind, in spite of resignation.

I think that the unstated concern of people who are critical of this is that it might catch on.

You got me.

Please tell us what you're doing this week to further the cause of women's rights or if that list is too long please suggest ways we ignorant Americans can better protect mother Earth.

[RobinFinderson]

You got me.

Please tell us what you're doing this week to further the cause of women's rights or if that list is too long please suggest ways we ignorant Americans can better protect mother Earth.

First you somehow conflate my point with an unrelated constitutional point, and now this stuff about women's rights and mother Earth. I have no idea what you are saying, but I like it

[SeattleUte]

It's funny how foolishly Mormonism makes everyone who comes into contact with it even those who reject it act. It wouldn't take much creativity to turn this actual mass resignation event into an Onion story. It's pretty funny as it is.

[Jeff Lebowski]

It's funny how foolishly Mormonism makes everyone who comes into contact with it even those who reject it act.

[Blueintheface]

First you somehow conflate my point with an unrelated constitutional point, and now this stuff about women's rights and mother Earth. I have no idea what you are saying, but I like it

What I'm saying is that your recent shock-jock hit-and-run post in the Utah Valley fire thread was not appreciated. I'm sure you understood that point but I thought I'd explain it to anyone else that's interested.

[DU Ute]

Excellent

[UtahDan]

In article they said the point was to get people talking about what it costs people to leave, so that maybe in the future that cost would be less. That is more or less the reason I posted it here, to get people talking about it.

My hope is that these things will normalize somewhat over time. Just as knowing someone gay has made a lot of people turn the corner on that issue, maybe knowing someone who has resigned will do the same sort of thing. Like I said, I'm not involved in this but I hope it can do some good.

All I can say is that the intention, at least the stated intention, is to get people talking which will maybe make it safer and easier for those in and those out to engage with each other out in the open and without hostility. It is one tiny step. But I do think it will raise awareness.

I'm not going to try to say this is something to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy. But it gets people talking. Which overall I think is good.

I'm not responding to their demonstration, rather to the point you made several times that this is an effort to open dialogue and awareness between both sides without hostility. If this really was their intention then I think it was a poor approach.

I don't think your are doing justice to what I said. Everything I said on that point is quoted above. What I was attempting to convey was the idea that raising awareness will hopefully lead to people talking which in time will lead to normalization which will lead to less hostility and that this is a tiny step in that direction. Because of this event, a lot of people are going to talk about this issue, which can only be good. Change happens when people are confronted with the "other" and see her as a human being.

I'm not trying to be difficult with you amigo, but I am remarkably weary of the "oh I'm sympathetic but they went about it all wrong" dodge I so often I hear from people who aren't sympathetic at all whether it is on this issue or others. This is one of the reasons I liked Coach's response.

[RobinFinderson]

What I'm saying is that your recent shock-jock hit-and-run post in the Utah Valley fire thread was not appreciated. I'm sure you understood that point but I thought I'd explain it to anyone else that's interested.

I don't think I have commented about a Utah Valley fire. Are you talking about when wuap posted a photo of a Waldo Canyon fire (Colorado) that showed a picture of a burning house with a car in the driveway, and then I followed that by suggesting that Ox might find a car there, if it was close to Denver? If so, what does that have to do with the first amendment and mother earth?

[Jeff Lebowski]

I'm not trying to be difficult with you amigo, but I am remarkably weary of the "oh I'm sympathetic but they went about it all wrong" dodge I so often I hear from people who aren't sympathetic at all whether it is on this issue or others. This is one of the reasons I liked Coach's response.

Yikes. That seems awfully condescending.

First of all, why is that a dodge? Could it be that the statement is sometimes true?

Second, what makes you think that YO is one of the "people who aren't sympathetic at all"?

[Omaha 680]

The reason I say so far as I know is that I would not expect an organization like the LDS Church to provide me due process even though it mimicks trial process (like Stalin's show trials did).

If you compare something to Hitler or Stalin that doesn't involve actual mass murder, you automatically lose the argument. Sorry.