Mass resignation event tomorrow (6/30/12)

[UtahDan]

Sure, if their only goal is to beat the fall of the curtain. But if you have a "mass resignation" planned for Saturday . . . .

I think that would be the goal. I wouldn't ever allow the church to excommunicate me.

[myboynoah]

Holy overreaction, Batman.

I am giving Rambam an official "oh brother".

You're ruling by fear. It's not going to work.

[UtahDan]

I'm going to give Rambam the benefit of the doubt, and then ask who in the holy name of hell is their intended audience? If we progmos, as SU calls us, are having this sort of a reaction, who do they think they are going to influence for good?

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[The Rambam]

Here's the thing Rambam:

Martin Luther King Jr. was successful at empowering people and initiating change because he had a dream. Promoting dreams is more powerful than promoting grievances even when the motives for both types of promotions are the same.

This is an example of the promotion of grievances.

They wouldn't define it that way. Which is the whole point of my previous comment. No one other than UtahDan seems to be willing to listen to them, instead insisting that they know better than the actors why the actors act, refusing to acknowledge overt reason. This is sad.

[The Rambam]

I'm going to give Rambam the benefit of the doubt, and then ask who in the holy name of hell is their intended audience? If we progmos, as SU calls us, are having this sort of a reaction, who do they think they are going to influence for good?

I think they would say they want to show that there is no magic keeping people in and no magic which curses people when they leave. Seeing this will free people from fear.

Even those here that mock them and laugh and deride will find that seeing the act today will lessen the stigma of resigning membership. If one day these ungrateful feel inclined to leave, it will be easier for them, less painful, because of what happened in SLC today. So, in spite of the rough thanks given, one day thanks may be offered them yet. Or they will be forgotten, but their effect will be added to the melting-pot regardless.

[myboynoah]

I think they would say they want to show that there is no magic keeping people in and no magic which curses people when they leave. Seeing this will free people from fear.

Even those here that mock them and laugh and deride will find that seeing the act today will lessen the stigma of resigning membership. If one day these ungrateful feel inclined to leave, it will be easier for them, less painful, because of what happened in SLC today. So, in spite of the rough thanks given, one day thanks may be offered them yet. Or they will be forgotten, but their effect will be added to the melting-pot regardless.

It's not as if this is unique. Folks have been doing this since the beginning and there are whole ministries, websites, movements, etc. that use whatever pulpit they can find to tell people they are leaving. It appears to be more about the people making the march than about others our there living in fear.

[MarkGrace]

So did the dozens of people have fun on their hike today? Or is it happening tomorrow?

[myboynoah]

So did the dozens of people have fun on their hike today? Or is it happening tomorrow?

I hope not. The Post Office will be closed on Sunday.

[UtahDan]

So did the dozens of people have fun on their hike today? Or is it happening tomorrow?

From what I hear they did. Turn out of 120 or so is what I am hearing.

[Indy Coug]

I think they would say they want to show that there is no magic keeping people in and no magic which curses people when they leave. Seeing this will free people from fear.

Even those here that mock them and laugh and deride will find that seeing the act today will lessen the stigma of resigning membership. If one day these ungrateful feel inclined to leave, it will be easier for them, less painful, because of what happened in SLC today. So, in spite of the rough thanks given, one day thanks may be offered them yet. Or they will be forgotten, but their effect will be added to the melting-pot regardless.

I want people who want to be "here" to stay here. I want people who are unsure what they want to stay here.

I want people who don't want to be here to go ahead and go. Not out of spite, but because I respect people's agency. I see no purpose in people being part of an organization that they don't believe in or want to be a part of. Please go. No hard feelings. Some sadness perhaps, but no hard feelings.

But I also definitely want people who go and then later reconsider to come back here.

[snowcat]

If anyone has ever heard of a Church Court being held, evidence being heard, and a not guilty/no discipline determination being made, I'd like to hear about it. Certainly there must have been an exception sometime somewhere.

I have attended a disciplinary council where the outcome was no discipline.

[TripletDaddy]

So did the dozens of people have fun on their hike today? Or is it happening tomorrow?

It was today. There was actually a pretty sizeable crowd downtown today, but they were all there for the semi-weekly Farmer's Market. We had a fun time walking around sampling food.

[MarkGrace]

From what I hear they did. Turn out of 120 or so is what I am hearing.

I can't believe that many people would ever want to go on a hike.

[Rosebud]

They wouldn't define it that way. Which is the whole point of my previous comment. No one other than UtahDan seems to be willing to listen to them, instead insisting that they know better than the actors why the actors act, refusing to acknowledge overt reason. This is sad.

Among the reasons cited by those resigning are the church's political activism against gay marriage; doctrinal teachings that conflict with scientific findings or are perceived as racist or sexist; and inconsistencies in the church's explanation of its own history, including the practice of polygamy.

Yes, they would.

Having a positive public influence is about more than how the participants themselves define something; it's about how the public perceives the actions the participants are taking. The action of resigning en masse due to complaints is generally going to be perceived by the public as a grievance just as it was perceived that way by the majority of people in this thread.

While it's easy to respect their stated motive of supporting one another and others who may wish resign as well, that motive is going to be seen as secondary to the grievances they are reporting and the action they are consequently taking no matter how many times they repeat it. Some might argue, as well, that publicity is not necessary for support.

FWIW, news sources are generally leery about covering this type of event for the very reasons I give. It's not just me. Grievances aren't as interesting to report as dreams..... they don't make as good of stories.

[Rosebud]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54...ation.html.csp