Why Mormons Leave

[Non Sequitur]

What is the line which is not to be crossed?

Sex, drugs and Rock and Roll.

[woot]

Three of my fellow zone leaders were former drug dealers, and two of my fellow APs had live-in relationships before their missions. Not only are those types often firm believers afterward, they also often make better teachers.

[FMCoug]

Is this necessarily a bad thing....the ” Utah Mormon?”

It would seem from anyone would benefit from contact with the saints and the one true church, no?

Absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that it is a bad thing.

[marsupial]

Yeah, of course it's the methodology. Because no faithful person could ever lave the Church unless he/she had some moral defect. Why is it so difficult to believe that good, virtueous people can come to the conclusion that the Church isn't true?

Thank you. Now please convince my mother.

[TripletDaddy]

Thank you. Now please convince my mother.

Your mother is likely more worried about your feet (and rightfully so!)

[marsupial]

Your mother is likely more worried about your feet (and rightfully so!)

I don't think she even knows I have been going barefoot. We rarely talk. But she is a firm believer in a good pair of sturdy shoes.

[FMCoug]

I don't think she even knows I have been going barefoot. We rarely talk. But she is a firm believer in a good pair of sturdy shoes.

That's probably for the best. Lots of people leave the faith of their fathers. But they still wear shoes. Combine the two and she would really worry about your sanity.

[TripletDaddy]

I don't think she even knows I have been going barefoot. We rarely talk. But she is a firm believer in a good pair of sturdy shoes.

I like your mom already.

[DU Ute]

My two best friends in high school turned me on to cannibus. They coerced me into it every weekend until the last several months before our missions. They're both Stake Presidents now. Two points for the low bar.

Two for three isn't too bad.

[Non Sequitur]

Two for three isn't too bad.

And at the time, I was the Priest Quorum President, and my dad was first counselor. I was the one that was supposed to stick.

[Viking]

The Church needs to understand that both the HC double standard for BYU athletes and the low bar for missionaries led to some great years of football and religious growth.

[Uncle Ted]

Can someone tell me what "raise the bar" means in practice? Are there guidelines? What is the line which is not to be crossed?

http://www.schaeferfamily.com/files/...ary%20Work.pdf

[Uncle Ted]

Three of my fellow zone leaders were former drug dealers, and two of my fellow APs had live-in relationships before their missions. Not only are those types often firm believers afterward, they also often make better teachers.

It seems like folks in the scriptures like Paul, Alma the younger, and the sons of Mosiah made pretty good missionaries as well.

[myboynoah]

http://www.schaeferfamily.com/files/...ary%20Work.pdf

So unless one has been sexually active with several partners, then the bar is still low enough. How is this different from before? The one-year waiting period?

[Viking]

So unless one has been sexually active with several partners, then the bar is still low enough. How is this different from before? The one-year waiting period?

In my day, you could have gone "all the way" the week before you reported to the MTC, repented to Branch President Hunter, maybe have to visit with the MTC President and that was about it. I think half of the purpose of the MTC was to guilt you into confessions.