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  • smokymountainrain
    Impressive Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 22593

    #16
    Originally posted by jay santos View Post
    Mrs. Santos said if he called me to a foreign mission, she would encourage me to go.
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    • Commando
      Explosivo
      • Feb 2009
      • 20748

      #17
      Am I the outlier here that thinks that's not him? Either that or just a giant coincidence that artists back in those days could paint anyone but JS accurately.
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      • BigPiney
        Huge Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 12323

        #18
        Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post

        That's amazing.

        Look at those eyes.
        one looks left, the other looks right

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        • Pelado
          Bald not naked
          • Sep 2010
          • 21095

          #19
          Originally posted by jay santos View Post
          Mrs. Santos said if he called me to a foreign mission, she would encourage me to go.
          My wife would have encouraged me to go, too, even just based on the painting.
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          • Northwestcoug
            Cocked and Loaded
            • May 2011
            • 17937

            #20
            Originally posted by Commando View Post
            Am I the outlier here that thinks that's not him? Either that or just a giant coincidence that artists back in those days could paint anyone but JS accurately.
            I'm skeptical but can be persuaded. That article is thin on evidence. Could be a photo of a relative, or just anyone.

            If it is him I like that photo way more than the painting. Makes him look like a real person.
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            • falafel
              loves to talk on things
              • Mar 2009
              • 37893

              #21
              Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post

              Which wife?
              Funny. But its Emma. Supposedly, the locket belonged to JSIII and came down through his family.
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              • Uncle Ted
                The Big 12 money shot.
                • Apr 2010
                • 28853

                #22
                Originally posted by Commando View Post
                Am I the outlier here that thinks that's not him? Either that or just a giant coincidence that artists back in those days could paint anyone but JS accurately.
                It is actually just a bad picture of Eddie Redmayne...




                Or Joseph Smith Jr is one of the three nephites and the martyrdom was faked so he could make his exit. Now he goes by name Eddie Redmayne.
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                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                • Uncle Ted
                  The Big 12 money shot.
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 28853

                  #23
                  Originally posted by falafel View Post

                  Funny. But its Emma. Supposedly, the locket belonged to JSIII and came down through his family.
                  Let me guess... some LDS dude with deep pockets pick it from the family for a small fortunate. That and some rather burnt Egyptian mummies and other interesting nic-nacs.
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                  • Jeff Lebowski
                    Corporate lackey for Jesus
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 69501

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post

                    I'm skeptical but can be persuaded. That article is thin on evidence. Could be a photo of a relative, or just anyone.

                    If it is him I like that photo way more than the painting. Makes him look like a real person.
                    Really? Provenance seems pretty solid to me. And it looks way more convincing than any of the other photos that have cropped up.
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                    • All-American
                      Right, as Usual
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 15640

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Commando View Post
                      Am I the outlier here that thinks that's not him? Either that or just a giant coincidence that artists back in those days could paint anyone but JS accurately.
                      Here is a painting of Brigham Young from 1845:



                      Here is a daguerrotype from 1850:

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                      • All-American
                        Right, as Usual
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 15640

                        #26
                        The biggest problem to me remains: we WANT this to be an authentic photograph. That is going to affect how we look at it, no matter what else.

                        If it turns out to be authentic, it is one of the most valuable historical relics in our church and state history. It's value would have been known to those who knew what it was, which has to be a mark against believing its provenance. Something like this presumably would not just get lost.

                        Now, there's a story explaining it: Emma was very careful about guarding his image, and then for many years you couldn't open the locket. Ok, fine. But it cries out for further investigation.

                        All of which is me mustering as much caution as I can, because the potential admittedly has me pretty excited.
                        τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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                        • falafel
                          loves to talk on things
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 37893

                          #27
                          I like this photograph, but I am old enough to recall when another photograph was found that was purported to be Joseph. Turned out to be someone else.

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                          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                          Dig your own grave, and save!

                          "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                          "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                          GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                          • falafel
                            loves to talk on things
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 37893

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Commando View Post
                            Am I the outlier here that thinks that's not him? Either that or just a giant coincidence that artists back in those days could paint anyone but JS accurately.
                            I've seen some of the portraits from incredible artists that don't even look like humans. Portraiture is not always about creating an exact likeness.
                            Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

                            Dig your own grave, and save!

                            "The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American

                            "I know that you are one of the cool and 'edgy' BYU fans" -- Wally

                            GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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                            • Lost Student
                              BAND!
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 4324

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post

                              Let me guess... some LDS dude with deep pockets pick it from the family for a small fortunate. That and some rather burnt Egyptian mummies and other interesting nic-nacs.
                              The owner of the locket said he's going to donate it to the church (he left RLDS and joined LDS 8 years ago).
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                              • All-American
                                Right, as Usual
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 15640

                                #30
                                Originally posted by falafel View Post
                                I like this photograph, but I am old enough to recall when another photograph was found that was purported to be Joseph. Turned out to be someone else.

                                ?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsethadamsmith.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F01%2Fjoseph_smith_photo_first_pic_mormon.jpg
                                Not sure why you are suspicious. It says right on the bottom that it is him.
                                τὸν ἥλιον ἀνατέλλοντα πλείονες ἢ δυόμενον προσκυνοῦσιν

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