I learned in church today

[Moliere]

You actually acclimate to the heat if you're in it every day, all day, with no air conditioning.

It just cracks me up that there was no mention of the persecution, losing homes and valuables, receiving no constitutional protection or remuneration. No, the biggest obstacle for this person was really the lack of air conditioning.

[wuapinmon]

It just cracks me up that there was no mention of the persecution, losing homes and valuables, receiving no constitutional protection or remuneration. No, the biggest obstacle for this person was really the lack of air conditioning.

Not to mention, it was Mexico.

[myboynoah]

Not to mention, it was Mexico.

Yes, they couldn"t drink the water.

[thesaint258]

The third hour of the ward I visited was a joint meeting with priesthood, Relief Society, and YM/YW discussing the evils of porn. I didn't learn anything since I zoned out as soon as I heard the topic.

[smokymountainrain]

Our regularly scheduled Sunday School was interrupted by the Bishop conducting a meeting about how we can be more compassionate, forgiving, understanding, nonjudgmental and caring toward youth who have struggles in life. This was a result of a 15 year old who lives two houses down the street from me and took his own life last Monday.

I'm new to the area, so didn't know him at all, but my heart breaks for him and his family. I was very impressed with how the Bishop handled the meeting, the tone he set and the direction of the discussion.

Most of the time as I read the religion posts on CS, I wish I lived in similar wards like so many CSers, yes, wards that seem never to lack of crazies. Yesterday, it was refreshing to know that I've moved to another normal ward where people focus on trying their best to live Christlike lives and focus on the things that matter the most.

[byu71]

Our regularly scheduled Sunday School was interrupted by the Bishop conducting a meeting about how we can be more compassionate, forgiving, understanding, nonjudgmental and caring toward youth who have struggles in life. This was a result of a 15 year old who lives two houses down the street from me and took his own life last Monday.

I'm new to the area, so didn't know him at all, but my heart breaks for him and his family. I was very impressed with how the Bishop handled the meeting, the tone he set and the direction of the discussion.

Most of the time as I read the religion posts on CS, I wish I lived in similar wards like so many CSers, yes, wards that seem never to lack of crazies. Yesterday, it was refreshing to know that I've moved to another normal ward where people focus on trying their best to live Christlike lives and focus on the things that matter the most.

I have found "mormons" are some of the most compassionate, forgiving, comforting people after the fact. I will admit I am not current on what is going on in youth classes now or what is being taught in Sunday School or Priesthood. I hear a good amount of forgiveness and compassion for others in talks in Sacrament meetings and in general conference.

That being said, I also have the lingering thoughts of specifics that were taught. Namely people who do not live the LDS principles are lesser people. Counsel is given to have your children not hang out with other children who are not strictly adhering to LDS principles. If you are not in compliance, you need not apply to your church University, but you need to go to a lesser school, like Utah or Utah St.

Am I out of touch with current teachings to the youth and my feelings come from a day gone by?

One reason I think not, but it may be isolated. I have a granddaughter who is an excellent soccer player, never had less than an A in her life and always attends her church meetings. However, she and her parents agreed to have her play in a soccer tournament and miss girls camp. They were visited by the YM's presidency and basically told the choice they were making could lead to their daughter going on a wayward path. Right there in front of my granddaughter. Luckily my daughter in law handles these things better than my son and the ladies were treated politely and told their concern was appreciated, but she was going to the soccer event. Again, this could be an isolated incident.

[smokymountainrain]

I have found "mormons" are some of the most compassionate, forgiving, comforting people after the fact. I will admit I am not current on what is going on in youth classes now or what is being taught in Sunday School or Priesthood. I hear a good amount of forgiveness and compassion for others in talks in Sacrament meetings and in general conference.

That being said, I also have the lingering thoughts of specifics that were taught. Namely people who do not live the LDS principles are lesser people. Counsel is given to have your children not hang out with other children who are not strictly adhering to LDS principles. If you are not in compliance, you need not apply to your church University, but you need to go to a lesser school, like Utah or Utah St.

Am I out of touch with current teachings to the youth and my feelings come from a day gone by?

One reason I think not, but it may be isolated. I have a granddaughter who is an excellent soccer player, never had less than an A in her life and always attends her church meetings. However, she and her parents agreed to have her play in a soccer tournament and miss girls camp. They were visited by the YM's presidency and basically told the choice they were making could lead to their daughter going on a wayward path. Right there in front of my granddaughter. Luckily my daughter in law handles these things better than my son and the ladies were treated politely and told their concern was appreciated, but she was going to the soccer event. Again, this could be an isolated incident.

This is the kind of thing the Bishop spoke about. The boy I mentioned was not an active member of the church. The Bishop (and several ward members as well) talked about the importance of being inclusive, non-judgmental, kind and caring for all kids - not just those who toe the line of the church.

[DrumNFeather]

I have found "mormons" are some of the most compassionate, forgiving, comforting people after the fact. I will admit I am not current on what is going on in youth classes now or what is being taught in Sunday School or Priesthood. I hear a good amount of forgiveness and compassion for others in talks in Sacrament meetings and in general conference.

That being said, I also have the lingering thoughts of specifics that were taught. Namely people who do not live the LDS principles are lesser people. Counsel is given to have your children not hang out with other children who are not strictly adhering to LDS principles. If you are not in compliance, you need not apply to your church University, but you need to go to a lesser school, like Utah or Utah St.

Am I out of touch with current teachings to the youth and my feelings come from a day gone by?

One reason I think not, but it may be isolated. I have a granddaughter who is an excellent soccer player, never had less than an A in her life and always attends her church meetings. However, she and her parents agreed to have her play in a soccer tournament and miss girls camp. They were visited by the YM's presidency and basically told the choice they were making could lead to their daughter going on a wayward path. Right there in front of my granddaughter. Luckily my daughter in law handles these things better than my son and the ladies were treated politely and told their concern was appreciated, but she was going to the soccer event. Again, this could be an isolated incident.

This all depends on who you ask. Some will say that it is as bad as it has ever been and some will say it is better than it has ever been. The truth is somewhere in the middle, but in general, I think we are improving as a people.

[byu71]

This is the kind of thing the Bishop spoke about. The boy I mentioned was not an active member of the church. The Bishop (and several ward members as well) talked about the importance of being inclusive, non-judgmental, kind and caring for all kids - not just those who toe the line of the church.

I think that is great. What I wonder about is does the curiculum and what is taught in the class relaying the same message.

A meaningful talk such as this especially after a tragedy hits home, but isn't that meaningful in the long run if not taught weekly in the classes.

It can be a tough issue. While I would want my grandchild not to look down on a teenager struggling with drugs and sex and be compassionate, I don't think I want her/him hanging out with them.

[Eddie]

....It can be a tough issue. While I would want my grandchild not to look down on a teenager struggling with drugs and sex and be compassionate, I don't think I want her/him hanging out with them.

I think it is all contextual.

There are kids I know that are struggling with some of these issues. I don't mind my kids hanging out with them - in a (semi) controlled environment. I wouldn't necessarily want them going to these kids homes, or to parties up the canyon that these kids are throwing. But they have other friends I know and trust - and I appreciate when they invite these kids who are struggling to gatherings or activities at one of their homes - or even at ours.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't mind the kids hanging out together - I just don't want them hanging out in the struggling kid's environment.

[byu71]

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't mind the kids hanging out together - I just don't want them hanging out in the struggling kid's environment.

This sounds like a very reasonable approach. I will say I am glad to be just watching my kids raise their kids and not being an active participant in how they do it.

[SandYFan]

I have never once been taught that LDS kids should not play with non-LDS kids, and I was raised in, and live in, Salt Lake County.

My kids play with whoever in the neighborhood. As the other side of my street is in a different stake, I have no idea which kids are LDS and who are not and it doesn't matter.

[byu71]

I have never once been taught that LDS kids should not play with non-LDS kids, and I was raised in, and live in, Salt Lake County.

My kids play with whoever in the neighborhood. As the other side of my street is in a different stake, I have no idea which kids are LDS and who are not and it doesn't matter.

I think I said kids "not living LDS principles". You make the assumption that means non-LDS kids. Why would you automatically assume non LDS kids don't live the principles? Plenty of kids in other religions actually don't do drugs, alcohol, tobacco or have teenage sex.

If you don't mind me asking do you have teenagers? If so you really don't care about the kids your kids hang out with?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Am I out of touch with current teachings to the youth and my feelings come from a day gone by?

Pretty much.

[byu71]

Pretty much.

Good. So the only problem issues with the church are the ones you seem to be concerned with.