I learned in church today

[Tim]

So let me get this straight... a woman openly flouting the Church's counsel (rubbing it in people's faces?) is "awesome", but having noisy young children means total strangers get to hassle you?

Looks like you missed the point. You seem to always miss the point whenever the discussion of noisy children comes up. The issue isn't with the noisy children -- there's no doubt that children are noisy. No one has an issue with that. The issue is when parents do nothing about it, or pass on opportunities to teach their children about social norms. Glossing over their volume by saying "It's nice to be reverent" suggests that you're naively ignorant of the environment. In a public setting, especially a quiet one, giving your kids lip service is bad parenting. Teaching them that there are quiet places in the world and that we must respect those quiet places is good parenting, and taking them out of the room or forcing them to be quiet is the only responsible, "nice" thing to do in that environment.

[TexTechCoug]

Looks like you missed the point. You seem to always miss the point whenever the discussion of noisy children comes up. The issue isn't with the noisy children -- there's no doubt that children are noisy. No one has an issue with that. The issue is when parents do nothing about it, or pass on opportunities to teach their children about social norms. Glossing over their volume by saying "It's nice to be reverent" suggests that you're naively ignorant of the environment. In a public setting, especially a quiet one, giving your kids lip service is bad parenting. Teaching them that there are quiet places in the world and that we must respect those quiet places is good parenting, and taking them out of the room or forcing them to be quiet is the only responsible, "nice" thing to do in that environment.

It is interesting how in life we choose sides for ourselves and others and then go about fighting imaginary battles.

[ERCougar]

Looks like you missed the point. You seem to always miss the point whenever the discussion of noisy children comes up. The issue isn't with the noisy children -- there's no doubt that children are noisy. No one has an issue with that. The issue is when parents do nothing about it, or pass on opportunities to teach their children about social norms. Glossing over their volume by saying "It's nice to be reverent" suggests that you're naively ignorant of the environment. In a public setting, especially a quiet one, giving your kids lip service is bad parenting. Teaching them that there are quiet places in the world and that we must respect those quiet places is good parenting, and taking them out of the room or forcing them to be quiet is the only responsible, "nice" thing to do in that environment.

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[Tim]

It is interesting how in life we choose sides for ourselves and others and then go about fighting imaginary battles.

Hey, I'm just sharing my opinion. We all have opinions.

[Pheidippides]

If everybody kept the sabbath day holy, divorce rates would be cut in half.

[San Juan Sun]

Looks like you missed the point.

Possible. Or maybe you did, but I'll address that below.

You seem to always miss the point whenever the discussion of noisy children comes up.

I do? We've discussed this before? You are quite the student of my posts.

The issue isn't with the noisy children -- there's no doubt that children are noisy.

Agreed.

No one has an issue with that.

Except Viking.

The issue is when parents do nothing about it, or pass on opportunities to teach their children about social norms.

I'm with you here. Totally agree.

Glossing over their volume by saying "It's nice to be reverent" suggests that you're naively ignorant of the environment.

How many children do you have Tim? Ages?

In a public setting, especially a quiet one, giving your kids lip service is bad parenting.

It's a little more complicated than that sometimes. For example, it is possible that an overzealous parent lecturing a child makes more noise than the kid. But maybe that's just what this bad parent tells himself. You are insinuating that I', a bad parent, right? I can't figure out why you'd belabor the "everyone knows kids make noise" point so much.

Teaching them that there are quiet places in the world and that we must respect those quiet places is good parenting, and taking them out of the room or forcing them to be quiet is the only responsible, "nice" thing to do in that environment.

I agree, although I think using words like "responsible" probably adds an unneeded social justice element to the point that could stand alone upon the principles of basic courtesy.


Anyways, the point I was (poorly?) articulating is that Viking apparently picks and chooses which church behaviors are "awesome" and which ones prompt him to hassle strangers. I was hoping he'd explain. At no point did I ever say that the father he hassled was justified in allowing his children to wreak havoc.

Perhaps you are looking for a fight, where there is none?

[CardiacCoug]

Looks like you missed the point. You seem to always miss the point whenever the discussion of noisy children comes up. The issue isn't with the noisy children -- there's no doubt that children are noisy. No one has an issue with that. The issue is when parents do nothing about it, or pass on opportunities to teach their children about social norms. Glossing over their volume by saying "It's nice to be reverent" suggests that you're naively ignorant of the environment. In a public setting, especially a quiet one, giving your kids lip service is bad parenting. Teaching them that there are quiet places in the world and that we must respect those quiet places is good parenting, and taking them out of the room or forcing them to be quiet is the only responsible, "nice" thing to do in that environment.

Remind me how many kids you have.

[Tim]

How many children do you have Tim? Ages?

This isn't about children, it's about adults. I'm an adult. The fact that we don't have children isn't relevant.

Perhaps you are looking for a fight, where there is none?

Not liking for a fight, dude. Have a lovely day -- I mean that.

[SportUTE]

This is my favorite thread on CUF. It's what I read when bored in Sacrament ...

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[Tim]

Remind me how many kids you have.

Irrelevant. My issue has long been with adults, not children. Children are wonderful.

[YOhio]

Of course parents should teach their kids to behave appropriately in church. Is anyone really disputing that? Just take a look at Vikings story to see the importance. We all know how bad his parents were and here he is scolding people in church and encouraging boorish sacrament meeting behavior in grown ups.

[CardiacCoug]

This isn't about children, it's about adults. I'm an adult. The fact that we don't have children isn't relevant.

It's easy to be an expert on parenting before you have kids. When you have a few kids you will see that's it not always easy to apply that expertise and idealism.

Kids can't be controlled like other things with which childless adults have experience -- they are all different and it's really not like anything else. I'm a perfectionist about everything, but you can't make your kids perfect.

You will figure that out when you have kids -- sorry for the condescension.

Does Viking have kids? I can't remember.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I'm a really nice person ...

No you aren't.

[San Juan Sun]

This isn't about children, it's about adults. I'm an adult. The fact that we don't have children isn't relevant.

When you call people naively ignorant about parenting, and have no children, I think it's relevant.

Not liking for a fight, dude. Have a lovely day -- I mean that.

Thanks, you too. As I type this, I'm currently having a nice time in the foyer, listening to the talks, with my naughty/noisy 3 year old sitting beside me.

[Surfah]

I learned today that the stake exec. sec. installed a repeater so now we have a Wi-Fi on the other side of the building. This is actually repeater number two. So along the periphery everyone has signal. Still none in the chapel. Our church is built like a bomb shelter. Looks like one too with painted cinder block walls. We don't even have carpet or fabric on our walls.