Historicity of The Book of Mormon

[SeattleUte]

This doesn't seem to be a very helpful argument, since my family matters quite a bit to me.

What are the fields of your family members that you contend matter? Are any of them reputable historians, scientists, anthropologists, archeologists, linguists, genetecists, philologists or other field relevant to historicity?

[Maximus]

It does not claim that anymore...but it used to.

Is the intro to the BofM doctrine? canon? I think the BofM text itself, the part claiming to be translated and the word of God, is separate from the intro.

[Flystripper]

Is the intro to the BofM doctrine? canon? I think the BofM text itself, the part claiming to be translated and the word of God, is separate from the intro.

Who wrote the intro? Was the intro uninspired at the time of its writing? Canon vs non-canon...does it matter?

[Non Sequitur]

Is the intro to the BofM doctrine? canon? I think the BofM text itself, the part claiming to be translated and the word of God, is separate from the intro.

I'm guessing if you went back and read everything ever said or written by a living prophet, you would never find anything that indicated Lamanites were the primary ancestors of Native Americans. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

[SeattleUte]

Is the intro to the BofM doctrine? canon? I think the BofM text itself, the part claiming to be translated and the word of God, is separate from the intro.

I honestly wonder how people like you can look yourselves in the mirror. Why does your question even matter? What are you trying to do here? Do you really think your question matters? Are you convincing yourself? I can't believe that you are.

[Indy Coug]

Who wrote the intro? Was the intro uninspired at the time of its writing? Canon vs non-canon...does it matter?

It was an extrapolation made before the age of DNA.

[LogMafia]

Is the intro to the BofM doctrine? canon? I think the BofM text itself, the part claiming to be translated and the word of God, is separate from the intro.

So parts of the book of Mormon aren't cannon? what are you going to throw out next? the testimony of the three and eight.

It is obvious to anyone who has been a member of the church since the 80's that Lamanites are Native Americans.

In the Doctrine and Covenants God called men to go preach to the Lamanites... So even God was tricked by the Book of Mormon.

[Goatnapper'96]

What people are you talking about. A few posters on this and other boards? Almost all believers I've ever encountered believe it to be literal truth. And that Joseph saw what he saw and translated it by the power of God.

I have learned that non-believing non-attending, or marginally attending, mormons know a great deal more about what "the average mormon" believes than I do. Just stand back and watch with the same awe that I do!

[BlueHair]

Who wrote the intro? Was the intro uninspired at the time of its writing? Canon vs non-canon...does it matter?

Also, why was the uninspired intro allowed into the Book of Mormon? I assume anything that makes it into the BoM is cleared by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve. This implies that they were pretty dang sure it was accurate. There's no way "speculation" would be allowed to be printed in the cornerstone of the religion. It baffles me how easily people dismiss the ramifications of prophets not knowing what they are talking about. We're not talking about some little thing here, like bad investments or bad policy. We are talking about the introduction to the Book of Mormon, the world's most correct book.

[Non Sequitur]

It was an extrapolation made before the age of DNA.

Was the extrapolation inspired? Was it approved by inspired men? You can't just pick and choose, or else what use is a prophet?

[Maximus]

So parts of the book of Mormon aren't cannon? what are you going to throw out next? the testimony of the three and eight.

It is obvious to anyone who has been a member of the church since the 80's that Lamanites are Native Americans.

In the Doctrine and Covenants God called men to go preach to the Lamanites... So even God was tricked by the Book of Mormon.

The intro was written in 1981. Do you really place it ont he same level as the actual claimed to be translated BofM?

[BlueHair]

I think you'll find few that don't still believe this. I've not encountered anyone who believes the BOM is a true and historical text that disputes that the people numbered in the millions.




What people are you talking about. A few posters on this and other boards? Almost all believers I've ever encountered believe it to be literal truth. And that Joseph saw what he saw and translated it by the power of God.

I'm mostly talking about people that buy into what FARMS is saying. Views that FARMS puts out today, would have gotten people excommunicated 15 years ago.

[Indy Coug]

So parts of the book of Mormon aren't cannon?

The part in question wasn't in the Book of Mormon when it was canonized.

[Goatnapper'96]

Was the extrapolation inspired? Was it approved by inspired men? You can't just pick and choose, or else what use is a prophet?

Everybody needs someone or something to follow, duh!

[LogMafia]

The part in question wasn't in the Book of Mormon when it was canonized.

So now we accept only the doctrine that was taught when something was canonized? I guess Joesph Smith is in really trouble for Pretending to other gifts besides translating the Book of Mormon.

See Book of Commandments chapter 4

http://www.irr.org/mit/boc/1833boc-p10.html


It is Obvious that Indians being lamanites has been a part of our doctrine.