Historicity of The Book of Mormon

[Maximus]

Emotions are the least reliable way to prove the truth of something, no wonder the church practiced polygamy.

There is tons of evidence that the BoM isn't a historical text.

1. Anachronisms
2. Language writing and speaking
3. No people that fit at that time
4. plagiarism of text that didn't exist at the time
5. geography
6. DNA evidence

What are the pro's?

How does dna evidence prove (or is evidence for) the BofM is false? Plagiarism? You mean of the bible? Doesnt the BofM claim that they had parts of the Bible with them? WHat geography evidences do you speak of? Care to explain 1-3?

[DapperDan]

How does dna evidence prove (or is evidence for) the BofM is false? Plagiarism? You mean of the bible? Doesnt the BofM claim that they had parts of the Bible with them? WHat geography evidences do you speak of? Care to explain 1-3?

Might as well open up the wikipedia rabbit hole. I haven't read these, but I figure they'd be a decent starting place.

Historical authenticity of the Book of Mormon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Book of Mormon anachronisms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Linguistics and the Book of Mormon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Genetics and the Book of Mormon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeo...Book_of_Mormon
The Book of Mormon and the King James Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

edit: thx scottie

[SeattleUte]

Fess up. You don't really believe that.

It has already happened. All we lack is a formal revelation.

The Book of Mormon qua historical document has been thoroughly discredited, in every conceivable way, and, qua historical document, is a dead letter to any objecive person Mormon or non-Mormon alike. Rational people don't even cosider this a subject worthy of discussion. You might as well be making a case for historicity of the Hobbit.

[scottie]

edit: um how do I make this list not be giant?

Edit > Go Advanced > then in the Misc. Options section uncheck the "Automatically embed media (..." checkbox > Save Changes

[DapperDan]

Plagiarism? You mean of the bible? Doesnt the BofM claim that they had parts of the Bible with them?

The obvious issue here is that they didn't have the KJV with them and the BoM quotes it.

[jay santos]

How does dna evidence prove (or is evidence for) the BofM is false? Plagiarism? You mean of the bible? Doesnt the BofM claim that they had parts of the Bible with them? WHat geography evidences do you speak of? Care to explain 1-3?

The more difficult of the Bible plagiarism issues are the borrowing from New Testament, mostly Paul, before they had access to Paul.

[Maximus]

It has already happened. All we lack is a formal revelation.

The Book of Mormon qua historical document has been thoroughly discredited, in every conceivable way, and, qua historical document, is a dead letter to any objecive person Mormon or non-Mormon alike. Rational people don't even cosider this a subject worthy of discussion. You might as well be making a case for historicity of the Hobbit.

...according to the troll of CUF.

[SeattleUte]

...according to the troll of CUF.

No, according to the entire world outside your little cocoon. Everybody who matters agrees with me. EVERYBODY.

[Maximus]

No, according to the entire world outside your little cocoon. Everybody who matters agrees with me. EVERYBODY.

WHo matters? Those who agree with you?

[SeattleUte]

WHo matters? Those who agree with you?

Tell me someone who agrees the book of Mormon is a historical document and let's see if they matter.

[LogMafia]

How does dna evidence prove (or is evidence for) the BofM is false? Plagiarism? You mean of the bible? Doesnt the BofM claim that they had parts of the Bible with them? WHat geography evidences do you speak of? Care to explain 1-3?

The plagiarism that I'm thinking about is from the New Testament, but even Isaiah is now believed by some to be written after Lehi left for the Promised Land.

DNA shows that Natives aren't from Israel.

There isn't any geography that fits what is in the BoM, and even the areas that are believed to be where it took place don't match up.

[LogMafia]

Tell me someone who agrees the book of Mormon is a historical document and let's see if they matter.

This doesn't seem to be a very helpful argument, since my family matters quite a bit to me.

[Maximus]

The plagiarism that I'm thinking about is from the New Testament, but even Isaiah is now believed by some to be written after Lehi left for the Promised Land.

DNA shows that Natives aren't from Israel.

There isn't any geography that fits what is in the BoM, and even the areas that are believed to be where it took place don't match up.

The BofM only claims to give an account of a select group of people. It does not claim to give an ancestral link of even a majority of natives.

What geographical claims int he BofM would prevent it from taking place in meso america?

[LogMafia]

The BofM only claims to give an account of a select group of people. It does not claim to give an ancestral link of even a majority of natives.

What geographical claims int he BofM would prevent it from taking place in meso america?

It doesn't anymore, but it didn't until recently.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...226008,00.html

[Flystripper]

The BofM only claims to give an account of a select group of people. It does not claim to give an ancestral link of even a majority of natives.

What geographical claims int he BofM would prevent it from taking place in meso america?

It does not claim that anymore...but it used to.