LDS Garments: Why I Want Out of This Club

[pellegrino]

You guys who aren't taking advantage of the corbin tops are missing out. The sleeves are quite a bit shorter than the crew tops and other scoop necks, which is handy since elbow-length sleeves are dorky. Plus, the sleeves are almost what I would consider fitted, meaning there isn't a bunch of bulky sleeve material bunching up under your t-shirt.

Crew necks should always be worn under a white shirt (dress or T), but other than that, they should pretty much never be worn.

you know, I bought one of these to experiment and I can't tell you how disappointed I was. One of my biggest complaints about garments is when I wear a nice t-shirt that fits me properly they either peek out at the sleeves or at the neck. You are right that they have shorter sleeves than the normal scoop neck, but because of the lack of friction they slip out in those same spots even faster than a cotton or dri-luxe

I'm also quite pissed that they made the scoop necks in cotton and driluxe smaller around the neck so I have to constantly tug at my t-shirt collar to make sure I'm not showing my religion. I feel like a woman, dammit!

I think I might experiment with some Hanes and see where that gets us.

[oxcoug]

Mesh. It's all abt mesh.

[RobinFinderson]

Folks, it is all about the symbols... just get some tats, and reclaim your tank tops and mid-thigh shorts.

[falafel]

Mesh. It's all abt mesh.

Its never about mesh.

[HBCoug]

Did the price of Gs go up recently? I went to the 'Hive to by some new threads and was shocked that they were around 3.20 for the tops and basically the same for the bottoms.

I was out the door at almost 60 bucks for underwear. Whoa.

When I arrived home, I checked and sure enough the bags indicated that garments are made in the USA.

Time to outsource garments to be made by members in the Phillipines or Hong Kong or Macau or wherever. It can be a source of income for local members and an opportunity to avoid working in sweatshops for slave labor prices.

I can go to target and buy a 5 pack of hanes white t shirts for around $8. Why does it cost me half of that to buy one t shirt? Makes no sense.

Also, lose the tags. Time to go tag less.

This is another example of a gerontocracy unknowingly making things unnecessarily challenging.

MMM is a lucky woman!

[RC Vikings]

Folks, it is all about the symbols... just get some tats, and reclaim your tank tops and mid-thigh shorts.

I'm not sure it is anymore, I think it's become a modesty helper or otherwise they would do away with the sleeves on the woman g's.

[Donuthole]

you know, I bought one of these to experiment and I can't tell you how disappointed I was. One of my biggest complaints about garments is when I wear a nice t-shirt that fits me properly they either peek out at the sleeves or at the neck. You are right that they have shorter sleeves than the normal scoop neck, but because of the lack of friction they slip out in those same spots even faster than a cotton or dri-luxe

I'm also quite pissed that they made the scoop necks in cotton and driluxe smaller around the neck so I have to constantly tug at my t-shirt collar to make sure I'm not showing my religion. I feel like a woman, dammit!

I think I might experiment with some Hanes and see where that gets us.

That's too bad. I have only had that problem when the T-shirt i'm wearing has really short sleeves. As in probably too short to attempt to wear with garments. The point you make, though, is the thing I like about them--they don't bunch up on the T-shirt's sleeves like the other scoop necks, and the scoop is large enough that it'll never creep out at the sides or back of the neck.

What size did you buy? FTR, I always wear a large in the dri-luxe scoop neck, but I wear a medium in the corban. Otherwise the body would be way too long (which is saying something for this long-torsoed dude).

[Pheidippides]

I am increasingly frustrated with garments. This is a bad thing inasmuch as I generally view the temple as an anachronistic relic of polygamy.

The fabric designs and quality are terrible all around. It's little consolation to say that we are lucky because we don't have to deal with the collars, ties, snips and such that were in the original pattern.

I'm only an amateur historian at best, but as near as I can tell garments were only required wearing when participating in the endowment and prayer circles (the latter not always held in the temple by the way; many families had an alter in home for that purpose until the turn of the century at least, and many of the regional tabernacles and stake centers from the pioneer era had them until the late 70s). It was Joseph F Smith, I believe, who really pounded the "wear them all the time" drum. Joseph Smith did not, and was not wearing them on the night of his martyrdom, nor was Hyrum or John Taylor. Portly Willard Richards was, and his uninjured state gave rise to the myth of protection (as opposed to hiding behind the jail door).

Interestingly, Joseph did two things when he returned back from the other side of the Mississippi to turn himself in. Together with Emma he burned the original copy of the then-unknown revelation we now know as Section 132 (it was not public until the 1850s, announced in GC by Brigham Young) and instructed the twelve at least to destroy their garments. Why? I've heard two theories that make sense. The first is that he was destroying the evidence of polygamy - the revelation and the garment associated with it. The second - not precluded by the first - is that he was repudiating polygamy. Indeed, Quinn suggests that the succession crisis was about exactly this: should the secret stuff (the temple, polygamy, and theocracy) be done away with, or should it stay. It was very much a Brigham vs Emma debate, and some have said (myself included) that the good guys lost.

I don't mean to come off negative about things, and I'm sure better read people here will have multiple corrections to what I just said.

[Sullyute]

I think I might experiment with some Hanes and see where that gets us.

I know that others earlier in the thread talked about making your own garments. The new handbook specifically forbades making your own garments. I don't have the quote here at work but I will try and find it when I get home. Then again, just because the handbook says something doesn't mean you can't do what you please.

Interestingly, Joseph did two things when he returned back from the other side of the Mississippi to turn himself in. Together with Emma he burned the original copy of the then-unknown revelation we now know as Section 132 (it was not public until the 1850s, announced in GC by Brigham Young) and instructed the twelve at least to destroy their garments. Why? I've heard two theories that make sense. The first is that he was destroying the evidence of polygamy - the revelation and the garment associated with it. The second - not precluded by the first - is that he was repudiating polygamy. Indeed, Quinn suggests that the succession crisis was about exactly this: should the secret stuff (the temple, polygamy, and theocracy) be done away with, or should it stay. It was very much a Brigham vs Emma debate, and some have said (myself included) that the good guys lost.

I thought that Emma had thrown the revelation in the fire when Hyrum Smith first showed it to her a couple years earlier? Maybe it was a copy that she burned before and it was the original this time. In regards to the 12 destroying their garments... since the twelve were all on missions (actually they were stumping for Joseph's US presidency bid) do you know if this request was included in the same letter which called the 12 home, or in a seperate letter? Is there a copy of this letter anywhere? Very interesting.

[cougjunkie]

Of all the things going on in the world, garments is what you choose to bitch about?

Nobody gives a shit about how you look.

[DrumNFeather]

Of all the things going on in the world, garments is what you choose to bitch about?

Nobody gives a shit about how you look.

[Pheidippides]

I thought that Emma had thrown the revelation in the fire when Hyrum Smith first showed it to her a couple years earlier? Maybe it was a copy that she burned before and it was the original this time. In regards to the 12 destroying their garments... since the twelve were all on missions (actually they were stumping for Joseph's US presidency bid) do you know if this request was included in the same letter which called the 12 home, or in a seperate letter? Is there a copy of this letter anywhere? Very interesting.

I will have to go back and reread to see exactly how it went down. Interesting that he told the twelve to burn them only - I would also expect him to instruct those at home in the Anointes Quorum or whatever it was called to do the same. Maybe no time? It does seem as though he felt quite betrayed by those closest to him - certainly the Nauvoo expositor involved people from the Council of 50 if not necessarily group of endowed polygamy initiates.

Another theory strikes me here. Joseph said that the secret of Masonry was to keep a secret. Quinn notes that some members of the Council of 50 had taken as many as four oaths of secrecy/loyalty: Danite, council of 50, endowment and one other that escapes me. Yet these were the people that called him a coward and insisted he return to face the music. Maybe the repudiation was about the ineffectiveness of the oaths as much as anything. It's something I'd like to study more.

My personal view on garments, independent of any view I have of the temple, is that zealotry has made them more difficult and mandatory than they originally intended, with a couple of minor exceptions (such as 1923). So I wear them when it suits me and don't when it doesn't, and don't pay too much attention to it.

[NorthwestUteFan]

So I wear them when it suits me and don't when it doesn't, and don't pay too much attention to it.

I am a total lightweight when it comes to temperature regulation. I HATE being too hot and sweaty (unless the situation demands it ).

If I lived in Houston I would have a hard time wearing them more than about 6 months out of the year. I would consider proper temperature regulation to be an acceptable exemption to the wearing of the Gs.

I can handle hot and dry in the desert, but sweltering heat and high humidity are extremely uncomfortable. I strongly dislike the feeling of sweat running down my back and lower...

Also fwiw, I tried the new stretchy (compression short style) support bottoms and loved them as long as I was moving. When I stopped, however, they were too hot, started to slide downward, and found a way to pull every single hair on my thighs. The build quality is sub-par as well; one set tore a seam the second time through the washing machine. The other set is still OK.

[pellegrino]

Of all the things going on in the world, garments is what you choose to bitch about?

Nobody gives a shit about how you look.

We bitch and you bitch about our bitching. Equilibrium has returned to the world.

[Paperback Writer]

My personal view on garments, independent of any view I have of the temple, is that zealotry has made them more difficult and mandatory than they originally intended, with a couple of minor exceptions (such as 1923). So I wear them when it suits me and don't when it doesn't, and don't pay too much attention to it.

I agree, there should be some room for personal preference and comfort.

FWIW, zealotry also changed the interpretation of the Word of Wisdom...the revelation that starts out stating specifically that it's not a commandment.

Guess it's time to change into a sleevless shirt and enjoy a Danish beer.