LDS Garments: Why I Want Out of This Club

[wuapinmon]

I bet if the Church HQ were in Houston they'd quickly change the rule about yard work. Words cannot do justice to the hellish feeling of gutting houses in NOLA wearing garments AND clothes on top of them.

[pellegrino]

I hate to lower the boom on everyone else in this thread, but here's the rest of the CHOI section on garments:


"Endowed members should wear the temple garment both day and night. They should not remove it, either entirely or partially, to work in the yard or for other activities that can reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath the clothing. Nor should they remove it to lounge around the home in swimwear or immodest clothing. When they must remove the garment, such as for swimming, they should put it back on as soon as possible.

Members should not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing. Nor should they alter the garment from its authorized design. When two-piece garments are used, both pieces should always be worn.

The garment is sacred and should be treated with respect at all times. Garments should be kept off the floor. They should also be kept clean and mended. After garments are washed, they should not be hung in public areas to dry. Nor should they be displayed or exposed to the view of people who do not understand their significance."



No cultish behavior to see here. Move along...

this is nothing we didn't already know.

[Jacob]

I hate to lower the boom on everyone else in this thread, but here's the rest of the CHOI section on garments:

Nothing new there. But isn't it just a bit creepy when the stake presidency quizzes your wife on when and where and how she is wearing her underwear? This seems to be the new most important part of the TR interview. A very strange focus. In fact, last time we renewed, it was the only question my wife was asked by the councilor in the SP, whom she didn't even know. And it seems that bishops are now required to read a statement every time, similar to the language you posted.

[Moliere]

I hate to lower the boom on everyone else in this thread, but here's the rest of the CHOI section on garments:


"Endowed members should wear the temple garment both day and night. They should not remove it, either entirely or partially, to work in the yard or for other activities that can reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath the clothing. Nor should they remove it to lounge around the home in swimwear or immodest clothing. When they must remove the garment, such as for swimming, they should put it back on as soon as possible.

Members should not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing. Nor should they alter the garment from its authorized design. When two-piece garments are used, both pieces should always be worn.

The garment is sacred and should be treated with respect at all times. Garments should be kept off the floor. They should also be kept clean and mended. After garments are washed, they should not be hung in public areas to dry. Nor should they be displayed or exposed to the view of people who do not understand their significance."



No cultish behavior to see here. Move along...

There's nothing in there about making you own garments

[falafel]

Nothing new there. But isn't it just a bit creepy when the stake presidency quizzes your wife on when and where and how she is wearing her underwear? This seems to be the new most important part of the TR interview. A very strange focus. In fact, last time we renewed, it was the only question my wife was asked by the councilor in the SP, whom she didn't even know. And it seems that bishops are now required to read a statement every time, similar to the language you posted.

Was she really questioned regarding particulars? Or was she just asked the standard "Do you wear the garment as instructed"? That doesn't seem like anything to get upset, or even mildly annoyed, about.

[falafel]

There's nothing in there about making you own garments

Sadly, I found that the garments I made myself were not much better than the ones the Church sells, and they were more expensive.

[Northwestcoug]

My boom-lowering was tongue-in-cheek, as I assumed everyone knew the church-policy on garments.

I was just struck by how reasonable-sounding the discussion of this thread was, and how much it differed from the handbook statement. I've always defended the church from people who called it a cult. But to be honest, after reading the garment section, I concede their point somewhat.

[Portland Ute]

Nothing new there. But isn't it just a bit creepy when the stake presidency quizzes your wife on when and where and how she is wearing her underwear? This seems to be the new most important part of the TR interview. A very strange focus. In fact, last time we renewed, it was the only question my wife was asked by the councilor in the SP, whom she didn't even know. And it seems that bishops are now required to read a statement every time, similar to the language you posted.

I've encouraged my wife to get explicit in an effort to dissaude anyone from asking such intrusive and ridiculous quesitons.

"So, yeah...sometimes when we go out, I wear cheekies from Victorias Secret. My husband removes them as he... Once we are both satisfied, I replace the garment."

If the SP member says, "Hey, that's more than I need to know...", she can reply, "Well, you were the one that asked about when, where, how and why I removed my underwear..."

Today is one of those days when I'm feeling rather suffocated by the culture.

The disadvantage of the two year temple recommend is that it only affords you the opportunity to give awkward yet acceptable answers to intrusive questions every other year.

[Northwestcoug]

There's nothing in there about making you own garments

This boom-lowering, however, is VERY serious.

Members may make their own temple aprons only if they use the approved apron embroidery and sewing kit that is available through Church Distribution Services. Other temple ceremonial clothing may not be made. Nor may temple garments be made.

[falafel]

This boom-lowering, however, is VERY serious.

Members may make their own temple aprons only if they use the approved apron embroidery and sewing kit that is available through Church Distribution Services. Other temple ceremonial clothing may not be made. Nor may temple garments be made.

Bah. What's changed so much in the last 50 years that suddenly we cannot be trusted to sew little symbols into a white t-shirt?

(this isn't directed at you, per se, NWC)

[Pheidippides]

This boom-lowering, however, is VERY serious.

Members may make their own temple aprons only if they use the approved apron embroidery and sewing kit that is available through Church Distribution Services. Other temple ceremonial clothing may not be made. Nor may temple garments be made.

You assume that some of us care what the CHOI says. Well, not necessarily you, but you get my point. I've already stated I think we have it wrong.

What happens in my next interview when I say what I just said here? What will they do to me? The same thing they did when I said I didn't keep the WoW because I eat too much meat?

[Northwestcoug]

Bah. What's changed so much in the last 50 years that suddenly we cannot be trusted to sew little symbols into a white t-shirt?

(this isn't directed at you, per se, NWC)

You assume that some of us care what the CHOI says. Well, not necessarily you, but you get my point. I've already stated I think we have it wrong.

What happens in my next interview when I say what I just said here? What will they do to me? The same thing they did when I said I didn't keep the WoW because I eat too much meat?

[NorthwestUteFan]

What happens in my next interview when I say what I just said here? What will they do to me? The same thing they did when I said I didn't keep the WoW because I eat too much meat?

"Now Brother niku, you know what I meant..."

How long until you get to 'Ve vill nacht tolerate zis inzubordination!'?

[Pheidippides]

"Now Brother niku, you know what I meant..."

How long until you get to 'Ve vill nacht tolerate zis inzubordination!'?

As soon as they call me Brother my insubordination level will jump up a notch.

[NorthwestUteFan]

As soon as they call me Brother my insubordination level will jump up a notch.

Being called 'Brother' at a Cub Scout pack meeting on a Tuesday is highly agitating.