I don't really know how to introduce this

[Jeff Lebowski]

In the past I tried to defend his painting technique, but not the content of his work. Clearly, he is no longer interested in making art, but rather he has become a propagandist, and in so doing his technique is evidently in decline.

Become? Lol. When was he ever not a propagandist?

[PaloAltoCougar]

He should have added a few boulders and reefs past which the Donald is intrepidly navigating, labeling them “Mueller”, “Bimbo eruptions”, “Hair loss”, etc.

[tooblue]

Become? Lol. When was he ever not a propagandist?

However strident his ideas were, in his early paintings, I did not consider them rising to the level of propaganda. Obama standing on the constitution is arguably a valid critique of his adminstrations conceit. It wasn't until McNaugton started to paint scenes like Trump teaching the every man to fish that he began to fully make the transition.

As an aside, on several occasions, I have had family or friends in the US tell me they really identify with Trump because he is just like they are; they say he came from similar humble beginnings (these family members grew up on the West side of SLC, in Rose Park). When I explain Trump is a trust fund baby, and that his father was a multi-millionaire, they tell me that is a lie. I cite Trumps 'authorized' auto-biography as the source of my information. They still insist its a lie. Such misinformation and belief in it is dangerous.

McNaughton is doubling down on and conveying his sense of what's going on politically in the US, based on the same misinformation. For those who have read his detailed descriptions, is that Ben Carson depicted at the front, starboard side of the boat? Why is he paddling backwards, against all the other paddlers? McNaughton's craft is suffering under the weight of his untenable ideology.

[Commando]

He should have added a few boulders and reefs past which the Donald is intrepidly navigating, labeling them “Mueller”, “Bimbo eruptions”, “Hair loss”, etc.

where is Stephen Miller in all of this?? My favorite is just how detached from reality people have become. To literally paint Trump as this patriotic, courageous, altruistic figure is the craziest delusion I've ever seen. First, Trump would NEVER get in a rowboat under any circumstances, let alone one in a swamp (yes, I know it's "art" and not supposed to be literal, but I think it's worth saying out loud). All he wants out of life is a bucket of chicken, shark week on the tube, and a hummer from a woman who is not his wife. If people would admit that much I would feel a little less angsty about this whole administration.

[Jeff Lebowski]

However strident his ideas were, in his early paintings, I did not consider them rising to the level of propaganda. Obama standing on the constitution is arguably a valid critique of his adminstrations conceit. It wasn't until McNaugton started to paint scenes like Trump teaching the every man to fish that he began to fully make the transition.

As an aside, on several occasions, I have had family or friends in the US tell me they really identify with Trump because he is just like they are; they say he came from similar humble beginnings (these family members grew up on the West side of SLC, in Rose Park). When I explain Trump is a trust fund baby, and that his father was a multi-millionaire, they tell me that is a lie. I cite Trumps 'authorized' auto-biography as the source of my information. They still insist its a lie. Such misinformation and belief in it is dangerous.

McNaughton is doubling down on and conveying his sense of what's going on politically in the US, based on the same misinformation. For those who have read his detailed descriptions, is that Ben Carson depicted at the front, starboard side of the boat? Why is he paddling backwards, against all the other paddlers? McNaughton's craft is suffering under the weight of his untenable ideology.

Maybe I missed some of his earlier paintings. Can you point me to some that aren't political propaganda? It is most certainly his political work that gained him some publicity.

[tooblue]

Maybe I missed some of his earlier paintings. Can you point me to some that aren't political propaganda? It is most certainly his political work that gained him some publicity.

I specifically mentioned his painting that shows Obama standing with one foot on the constitution. Obama's constitutional record was alarming.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...und-it/512015/

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom...ww.google.com/

[Flystripper]

Why is Melania hugging Mike Pence?

Hugging Pence while stealing Trump's wallet!

[Jeff Lebowski]

I specifically mentioned his painting that shows Obama standing with one foot on the constitution. Obama's constitutional record was alarming.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...und-it/512015/

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcom...ww.google.com/

That’s not propaganda?

[Flystripper]

That’s not propaganda?

beat me to it.

[creekster]

That’s not propaganda?

By its nature the definition of propaganda is subjective so there is a pretty good chance that you two will not agree about this and each of you will be right.

[tooblue]

That’s not propaganda?

Not in the sense that it is overtly misleading, because it is not. Obama operated under a mandate, which one can reasonably argue, aimed to fundamentally change the constitution.

In much of McNaughton's earlier works there was an earnestness in his content, despite the overwrought nature of the narratives inherent in them. Now, he is pressing an agenda that is untenable. That's clear from his choice to try and depict the "drain the swamp narrative" candidate Trump advanced during the campaign. Frankly, what McNaughton is trying to depict makes little narrative sense.

Why are they crossing the swamp, a body of water that by default has an ill-defined and ever-changing shorline ... where are they headed exactly? If he is eluding to the fact he and his compatriots are stuck in the middle of the swamp, then that means they were unsuccessful at crossing it, let alone emptying it, or worse that they are mired in a swamp of their own making ... is that what his image is trying to convey?

He's flailing with this latest painting. While you might not have liked previous works, they at least followed a legible visual narrative.

[Northwestcoug]

Not in the sense that it is overtly misleading, because it is not. Obama operated under a mandate, which one can reasonably argue, aimed to fundamentally change the constitution.

In much of McNaughton's earlier works there was an earnestness in his content, despite the overwrought nature of the narratives inherent in them. Now, he is pressing an agenda that is untenable. That's clear from his choice to try and depict the "drain the swamp narrative" candidate Trump advanced during the campaign. Frankly, what McNaughton is trying to depict makes little narrative sense.

Why are they crossing the swamp, a body of water that by default has an ill-defined and ever-changing shorline ... where are they headed exactly? If he is eluding to the fact he and his compatriots are stuck in the middle of the swamp, then that means they were unsuccessful at crossing it, let alone emptying it, or worse that they are mired in a swamp of their own making ... is that what his image is trying to convey?

He's flailing with this latest painting. While you might not have liked previous works, they at least followed a legible visual narrative.

I'd like to publicly thank tooblue for diverting the board's attention away from me and the porn thread

[tooblue]

By its nature the definition of propaganda is subjective so there is a pretty good chance that you two will not agree about this and each of you will be right.

Is it possible for one to be subjective in their objectivity?

[tooblue]

I'd like to publicly thank tooblue for diverting the board's attention away from me and the porn thread

You're welcome.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Not in the sense that it is overtly misleading, because it is not. Obama operated under a mandate, which one can reasonably argue, aimed to fundamentally change the constitution.

In much of McNaughton's earlier works there was an earnestness in his content, despite the overwrought nature of the narratives inherent in them. Now, he is pressing an agenda that is untenable. That's clear from his choice to try and depict the "drain the swamp narrative" candidate Trump advanced during the campaign. Frankly, what McNaughton is trying to depict makes little narrative sense.

Why are they crossing the swamp, a body of water that by default has an ill-defined and ever-changing shorline ... where are they headed exactly? If he is eluding to the fact he and his compatriots are stuck in the middle of the swamp, then that means they were unsuccessful at crossing it, let alone emptying it, or worse that they are mired in a swamp of their own making ... is that what his image is trying to convey?

He's flailing with this latest painting. While you might not have liked previous works, they at least followed a legible visual narrative.

So art depicting a US president trampling the constitution is not propaganda? Because you agree with the message? Uh ... OK.