Lost...

[JohnnyLingo]

When Sun, Lapitus and Locke first go looking for their people, don't they all run into Christian? That would mean that this person/thing or whatever it is is taking two forms would it not?

But we've never seen post-316 crash Locke and Christian together, have we? I'm trying to remember if they met up at all during the Sun/Lapidus/Ben at the barracks scenes.

If not, then that means Cerebrus (as Christian) tells Sun to follow Locke (also Cerebrus). There's some high-level gaming going on here.

I doubt the nuke could make Flight 815 not crash because haven’t they said several times that they can’t change things?

"What happened, happened" is a major theme of the show. Then Faraday came along and inserted his theory about changing the timeline... I think this was mainly due to his grief over Charlotte's death and an irrational belief/desire to save her. I'm still on the "What happened, happened" camp.

Also, what is the extent of the blast? Is the thing Juliet set off as powerful as a full hydrogen bomb? I think someone said it is not, so where does it fit on the scale. If "what happened, happened," then the blast radius is small enough to allow Chang and Radzinsky to survive... how far could they get from the Swan site before the thing went off?

[scottie]

But we've never seen post-316 crash Locke and Christian together, have we? I'm trying to remember if they met up at all during the Sun/Lapidus/Ben at the barracks scenes.

If not, then that means Cerebrus (as Christian) tells Sun to follow Locke (also Cerebrus). There's some high-level gaming going on here.



"What happened, happened" is a major theme of the show. Then Faraday came along and inserted his theory about changing the timeline... I think this was mainly due to his grief over Charlotte's death and an irrational belief/desire to save her. I'm still on the "What happened, happened" camp.

Also, what is the extent of the blast? Is the thing Juliet set off as powerful as a full hydrogen bomb? I think someone said it is not, so where does it fit on the scale. If "what happened, happened," then the blast radius is small enough to allow Chang and Radzinsky to survive... how far could they get from the Swan site before the thing went off?

Have they mentioned the name "Cerebrus" on the show before? If so, when did they start talking about him? (The mentioning of "Jacob" started in season 2 right?)

[JohnnyLingo]

Have they mentioned the name "Cerebrus" on the show before? If so, when did they start talking about him? (The mentioning of "Jacob" started in season 2 right?)

DHARMA calls it Cereberus, and the first time we see the monster is in the pilot episode, when he yanks the pilot of 815 from the cockpit and kills him.

Episodically, [Jacob] was first mentioned by name in "I Do" (Season 3, Episode 6). According to Danny Pickett, Jack "wasn't even on Jacob's list".

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob

[DrumNFeather]

I've had a few more thoughts as the day has gone on.

1) I think that the point of the flashbacks with Jacob was to show that he brought those people to the island and no matter how many attempts there were to try and change that, he still had the control.

This is important because...

2) We are lead to believe that the bomb goes off and that Juliet is gonzo, but I don't think she is...and how often are we lead to believe something that doesn't happen? I think as Juliet strikes the bomb the island moves (or something) and that is how she survives for season 6.

[SteelBlue]

Maybe more than "back" to the future... In the scenes where Jacob visits Kate and Sawyer as kids, and also in Juliet’s scene with her parents, the settings (mainly just looking at their clothing) did not appear to be 1970s-ish (I want to go back and look closer at what was on Kate's lunch box). Also, during one of the commercial breaks ABC promoted a new show called “Flash Forward” and the actress who plays Penny is an actress in that new show.

I doubt the nuke could make Flight 815 not crash because haven’t they said several times that they can’t change things?

I thought the lunchbox was New Kids on the Block. Kate's too young to be a 70's kid.

[Commando]

Also Walt.

Yeah but Walt isn't dead.

[JohnnyLingo]

Yeah but Walt isn't dead.

An important distinction. What it means, I have no idea.

[SteelBlue]

Locke is dead. The look-a-like is the same dude that takes on appearances/essences of the dead on the island (boone, Christian, claire, ben's daughter). The loophole I think is that the "leader" of the island has to kill Jacob.

Yes, they made it clear via the loophole quote that it was him. Why didn't Ben or Richard consider this option? They know that the guy can take on appearances.

Also, the nuke flashed everyone back to the future.

1.21 jigowatts!

[Mormon Red Death]

Yes, they made it clear via the loophole quote that it was him. Why didn't Ben or Richard consider this option? They know that the guy can take on appearances.

that is why they were so confused about him being dead. That is also why it was important that llana was bringing John's body. Richard new he was the fake when he saw Locke's body

[DrumNFeather]

Did some looking around amazon.com at the Flannery O'Conner book that Jacob was reading as Locke was falling out the hospital window. "Everything that Rises Must Converge"

Here's the opening sentences of the description: Collection of nine short stories by Flannery O'connor, published posthumously in 1965. The flawed characters of each story are fully revealed in apocalyptic moments of conflict and violence that are presented with comic detachment.

[scottie]

Did some looking around amazon.com at the Flannery O'Conner book that Jacob was reading as Locke was falling out the hospital window. "Everything that Rises Must Converge"

Here's the opening sentences of the description: Collection of nine short stories by Flannery O'connor, published posthumously in 1965. The flawed characters of each story are fully revealed in apocalyptic moments of conflict and violence that are presented with comic detachment.

Remind me -- what caused Locke to fall out of the window?

[Surfah]

Did some looking around amazon.com at the Flannery O'Conner book that Jacob was reading as Locke was falling out the hospital window. "Everything that Rises Must Converge"

Here's the opening sentences of the description: Collection of nine short stories by Flannery O'connor, published posthumously in 1965. The flawed characters of each story are fully revealed in apocalyptic moments of conflict and violence that are presented with comic detachment.

I highly recommend this collection, or better yet, buy all of her collected works. She is by far my favorite author and the short story that shares the title of that collection is one of my favorites. I may have to catch up on the last two seasons if there is anything to do with Flannery O'Connor.

[JohnnyLingo]

Remind me -- what caused Locke to fall out of the window?

His father, Sawyer's Sawyer, pushed him out when Locke threatened to call the police about his scamming practices.

[All-American]

Ille Qui Nos Omnis Servabit

He who will save us all.

[DrumNFeather]

T-minus one week until the LOST season premier...

I've been brushing up on the show and in doing so purchased the following book: http://thingsinoticed.com/

I found it to be a really interesting book. It throws out a dozen different theories about the show ranging from everything being willed by the losties (people coming back to life, food, etc...) to it being a video game and everything in between. The one thing the book really helped me understand was that there is so much going on that I've completely brushed over and literally everything means something.

The first episode of the season is entitled LA X, which is all we really know. We are lead to believe that the Oceanic 815 will potentially land safely in L.A., but as we know from LOST, things aren't always as they seem!

Other questions about Jacob, Ben, Locke, Jacob's Nemisis, Richard, Widmore, and more are all still out there, so it should be a great season. I am most looking forward to Richard Alpert's back story, which we've been promised w'll get it.

Let's try to keep this thread spoiler-free until things actually happen in an episode.