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  • #541
    Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
    I agree with John Stockton. You guys probably didn't like Independence Day either. Plot holes, etc, etc.
    Actually, I didn't really enjoy Independence Day. I've enjoyed all the Star Wars movies, and even most of the Star Trek movies.

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    • #542
      I think the polt issues that are being discussed with sich fervor here are related more to the business approach that Disney is taking. They wanted to re-assert and extend a franchise. They want to make a new star wars movie every 18-24 months, and have a new star wars land in theme parks, etc. So this movie had to do two things. First, it had to establish its bona fides with all the star wars nerds out there. They needed to assure them that the franchise as in good hands and that Disney could be trusted. Second, they had to make a film that kids coming of movie age in the last 10-15 years would like and support. To do so, they asked Abrams to make a new, fun movie, but they also relied a lot on prior plot lines, devices and characters. This made it clear it was still going to be Star Wars, pleasing the base, but also that it would go in a modern direction. I think they did a nice job.

      btw, I thought the Rey actress was great. Given the type of film, she and the storm trooper guy both did a great job, IMO.
      PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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      • #543
        28 pages about effing Star Wars? Embarrassing.
        *Banned*

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        • #544
          Originally posted by San Juan Sun View Post
          I agree with John Stockton. You guys probably didn't like Independence Day either. Plot holes, etc, etc.
          I also agree with him that it was a very good popcorn movie.

          Funny you should mention Independence Day. I have been making the case that some movies enjoy an early surge in ratings, critical reviews, etc. but then fade over time. I found this fascinating website that tracks the IMDB ratings of the top 250 list (i.e., movies that are now or ever have been on the list) over time.

          http://top250.info/

          Independence Day started out at 7.7, but now sits at 6.9.

          Other notable movies (first/early ratings vs current rating):

          Star Wars Episode 1: 7.8 -> 6.5
          Star Wars Episode 2: 7.8 -> 6.7
          Star Wars Episode 3: 8.0 -> 7.7
          The Dark Knight: 9.5 -> 9.0
          The Avengers: 8.6 -> 8.1

          On the other hand, some movies get higher ratings over time:

          Shawshank Redemption: 8.4 -> 9.3
          The Big Lebowski: 7.2 -> 8.1
          Pulp Fiction: 7.8 -> 8.9
          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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          • #545
            I liked it a lot. Didn't absolutely love it. We did watch episodes 4-6 before catching the late show on Xmas so I might have been Star Wars-ed out. I thought Rey was great as was her character.

            My roommate was in Independence Day as a pilot extra following the final scene. We went to see the movie with him and didn't believe him until one of the final scenes and there he was right behind Bill Pullman giving high fives in a compression suit. He drove a friend to try out for the movie and the casting director saw him in the lobby and said he looked like the perfect All-American guy and asked him if he wanted the gig. Made a couple grand for two days of work.

            I did not like the movie, btw (ID)
            "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

            "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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            • #546
              Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
              Embarrassing.
              No need to feel embarrassed; none of us expected you to add much to the discussion, so you don't have to feel bad about anything, Pookie Bear.
              "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
              The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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              • #547
                I enjoyed the film, it was a fun ride, blah blah blah...

                But the more I think of it, the more I'm disappointed in what could have been. I said a few days ago that I think Abrams did a MUCH better job with the Star Trek reboot than he did with Star Wars. It was just a tighter screenplay.

                One change could have made a huge difference for me:

                Spoiler for Plot detail:
                Wait to reveal Kylo Ren is Solo's son until their confrontation. There is no reason why the audience needed to know he was his son before the showdown, and it would have made for some good suspense.
                "...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
                "You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
                - SeattleUte

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                • #548
                  I saw it for a second time today. I think it's my second favorite of all of the movies.
                  Will donate kidney for B12 membership.

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                  • #549
                    Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                    No need to feel embarrassed; none of us expected you to add much to the discussion, so you don't have to feel bad about anything, Pookie Bear.
                    That one was free Mac. I hope you got it out of your system. I am giving you a clean slate in 2016, I don't think that was the way you wanted to start it off.
                    *Banned*

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                    • #550
                      Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                      I enjoyed the film, it was a fun ride, blah blah blah...

                      But the more I think of it, the more I'm disappointed in what could have been. I said a few days ago that I think Abrams did a MUCH better job with the Star Trek reboot than he did with Star Wars. It was just a tighter screenplay.

                      One change could have made a huge difference for me:

                      Spoiler for Plot detail:
                      Wait to reveal Kylo Ren is Solo's son until their confrontation. There is no reason why the audience needed to know he was his son before the showdown, and it would have made for some good suspense.

                      Spoiler for plot detail:
                      I think in plotting a movie there are a lot of considerations when waiting until a moment like that for a big reveal. Sure it would have been a big reveal a la ESB, but that reveal might have added narrative layers to that scene and distracted the audience from what the director needed for the movie to keep pacing and tone on point. In fact, those same considerations were why more of the story wasn't laid out earlier in much of the deleted Snoke/Ren dialogue, which clarifies quite a bit.
                      "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                      • #551
                        Originally posted by wuapinmon View Post
                        No need to feel embarrassed; none of us expected you to add much to the discussion, so you don't have to feel bad about anything, Pookie Bear.


                        Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                        That one was free Mac. I hope you got it out of your system. I am giving you a clean slate in 2016, I don't think that was the way you wanted to start it off.

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                        • #552
                          Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                          That one was free Mac. I hope you got it out of your system. I am giving you a clean slate in 2016, I don't think that was the way you wanted to start it off.
                          You came in here ridiculing us, Jimmer. I prefer clean, old-fashioned hate.
                          "Wuap's "problem" is that he is smart & principled & committed to a moral course of action. His actions are supposed to reflect his ethical code.
                          The rest of us rarely bother to think about our actions." --Solon

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                          • #553
                            Here's a good article for JL and all the other haters....

                            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-a...b_8850324.html
                            "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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                            • #554
                              Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                              Here's a good article for JL and all the other haters....

                              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-a...b_8850324.html
                              I an not a hater, dang it!

                              But I have to admit, that list is funny.
                              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                              • #555
                                Originally posted by Moliere View Post
                                Here's a good article for JL and all the other haters....

                                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-a...b_8850324.html
                                I guess I consider a "plot hole" differently than an improbability. This is akin to anti-Mormon literature. Stop trying to destroy faith. I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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