Breaking Bad

[Commando]

What has Walt done (or refused to do) the last three seasons to make you think he would not have killed that boy?

When he shot Mike he was clearly shaken; he only meant to be a tuff guy but killed him instead. That was the first time he had unnecessarily killed, and it was probably more of an accident than a premeditated move. I would argue that everyone else (from Gale to the convicts) had to go as a matter of self-preservation. The boy's death was completely unnecessary and I don't believe Walter would have conceived of doing that; especially if he wanted to continue a working relationship with Jesse and Mike. Speaking of Mike- it would have been Mike's call anyway as director of operations as it were.

[ERCougar]

When he shot Mike he was clearly shaken; he only meant to be a tuff guy but killed him instead. That was the first time he had unnecessarily killed, and it was probably more of an accident than a premeditated move. I would argue that everyone else (from Gale to the convicts) had to go as a matter of self-preservation. The boy's death was completely unnecessary and I don't believe Walter would have conceived of doing that; especially if he wanted to continue a working relationship with Jesse and Mike. Speaking of Mike- it would have been Mike's call anyway as director of operations as it were.

Yes.
And in explaining it to Jesse, he's clearly explaining it to himself. He's rationalizing it, but I still think he would rather it not have happened.

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[Jeff Lebowski]

Yes.
And in explaining it to Jesse, he's clearly explaining it to himself. He's rationalizing it, but I still think he would rather it not have happened.

Ah yes. The same guy who poisons a little kid and lets a young girl drown in her vomit.

[ERCougar]

Ah yes. The same guy who poisons a little kid and lets a young girl drown in her vomit.

"oh brother"...because there is clearly no difference between watching a drug addict who is blackmailing you aspirate on a heroin binge and shooting an innocent kid.

If you can go back and watch the episode where the kid is shot and honestly come away with the impression that he wanted the kid shot, well...then we're watching different shows and this discussion is silly. Not that it's not silly anyway .

This "capability" argument is stupid. Of course he's capable of shooting Skylar. Any of us are technically capable of doing anything at any point. Sure, he's closer to making that decision than any of us would be, but it's telling that he hasn't yet, nor does he appear to be planning to. If he does, it's a definite downward moral step beyond shooting drug dealers and people who want to expose or kill him. Is this even debatable?

[jay santos]

During Breaking Bad, I've found that my orientation/perspective is through Walt's eyes, and as such, I view myself as Walt calibrating our next move. Once we killed the dude in the basement in season 1, there was no turning back - how could there be? The only thing left was the slippery slope of bad deeds, and the wonderment of the new found power that comes with our ability to take a life. Our progression from bad to worse has brought us to a place where we would definitely kill Skyler, Hank, and Purple Klepto. That said... I think the odds of Hank Breaking Bad (continuing the theme) and doing a snow angel in his own money is just as good as anyone else that sees that much mucho dinero.

You heard it hear first - Hank brakes bad too.

That would be a good twist. Walt hosts a sit down with Skyler, Hank, and Marie and offers them a deal to move to South America together and live off the money all together. It doesn't fit with the ending we've been teased with already, and I don't see Hank and Walt reconciling.

[jay santos]

Ah yes. The same guy who poisons a little kid and lets a young girl drown in her vomit.

I can't remember exactly. Did he poison the kid to kill him, or just to make him sick enough to go to hospital and cause a distraction?

[Commando]

Ah yes. The same guy who poisons a little kid and lets a young girl drown in her vomit.

How you see Walter White:

[MarkGrace]

I can't remember exactly. Did he poison the kid to kill him, or just to make him sick enough to go to hospital and cause a distraction?

It was a deliberately non-lethal poisoning. ER should have pointed that out as well

[Donuthole]

I can't remember exactly. Did he poison the kid to kill him, or just to make him sick enough to go to hospital and cause a distraction?

I don't know that even Walter White is a good enough chemist to know just how much poison would make Brock sick enough to go to the hospital without creating a serious risk of death. Even if death wasn't intentional, it was clearly a consequence WW was willing to accept.

[UVACoug]

"oh brother"...because there is clearly no difference between watching a drug addict who is blackmailing you aspirate on a heroin binge and shooting an innocent kid.

If you can go back and watch the episode where the kid is shot and honestly come away with the impression that he wanted the kid shot, well...then we're watching different shows and this discussion is silly. Not that it's not silly anyway .

This "capability" argument is stupid. Of course he's capable of shooting Skylar. Any of us are technically capable of doing anything at any point. Sure, he's closer to making that decision than any of us would be, but it's telling that he hasn't yet, nor does he appear to be planning to. If he does, it's a definite downward moral step beyond shooting drug dealers and people who want to expose or kill him. Is this even debatable?

I love how he conveniently ignores the fact that Walt poisoned Andrea's brother (or was it her son?). Walt is a bad, bad man. Regardless of whether he has done anything as bad as killing an innocent child in the past , I have not seen anything to suggest he wouldn't do that. To the contrary, the only thing I have seen him do is try to justify the murder of the child as necessary. I just don't see what people who sympathize with Walt see in him that makes him think he wouldn't have done the same thing Todd did.


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[jay santos]

It was a deliberately non-lethal poisoning. ER should have pointed that out as well

That's how I remember it as well, which is why I've been confused at people asserting that he attempted to kill the child.

I don't know that even Walter White is a good enough chemist to know just how much poison would make Brock sick enough to go to the hospital without creating a serious risk of death. Even if death wasn't intentional, it was clearly a consequence WW was willing to accept.

Yeah, but it's fantasy, and Walt has been brilliant with all his chemistry, so I don't think we should extrapolate too much out of that event.

So far, the worst he's done is:
let the girl die
kill Mike
order the hit on the 10 men in prison

Pretty bad stuff. But not the level that some are stating, ie "past the point of redemption", "nothing he could do could prove he's any worse person", "killing innocent children", "would not hesitate to kill family", etc.

If Walt was torturing and killing innocent people just for the lust of blood, then yeah no one's going to like him or root for him. His character is not even close to that kind of evil.

[YOhio]

That's how I remember it as well, which is why I've been confused at people asserting that he attempted to kill the child.



Yeah, but it's fantasy, and Walt has been brilliant with all his chemistry, so I don't think we should extrapolate too much out of that event.

So far, the worst he's done is:
let the girl die
kill Mike
order the hit on the 10 men in prison

Pretty bad stuff. But not the level that some are stating, ie "past the point of redemption", "nothing he could do could prove he's any worse person", "killing innocent children", "would not hesitate to kill family", etc.

If Walt was torturing and killing innocent people just for the lust of blood, then yeah no one's going to like him or root for him. His character is not even close to that kind of evil.

Should probably also mention that he's manufacturing and selling a drug that leads to this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=meth...LbH_yQGN7YGoDg

[Jeff Lebowski]

"oh brother"...because there is clearly no difference between watching a drug addict who is blackmailing you aspirate on a heroin binge and shooting an innocent kid.

If you can go back and watch the episode where the kid is shot and honestly come away with the impression that he wanted the kid shot, well...then we're watching different shows and this discussion is silly. Not that it's not silly anyway .

Oh brother. Go back and watch the episode when he let the girl die. He didn't **want** to do that either. But he did it.

In both cases it was an issue of self-preservation. You act as if they randomly picked off that kid in a drive-by shooting or something.

This "capability" argument is stupid. Of course he's capable of shooting Skylar. Any of us are technically capable of doing anything at any point. Sure, he's closer to making that decision than any of us would be, but it's telling that he hasn't yet, nor does he appear to be planning to. If he does, it's a definite downward moral step beyond shooting drug dealers and people who want to expose or kill him. Is this even debatable?

Huh? Are you arguing that his killing of Skylar would have to be random? The only possible scenario I can see for him to kill Skylar is some form of self preservation.

Your moral calculus is interesting. I wonder how people one needs to murder before it is not a huge step to kill a spouse.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Should probably also mention that he's manufacturing and selling a drug that leads to this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=meth...LbH_yQGN7YGoDg

lol. I was going to mention this also.

Yeah, Walt didn't want that kid dead, but he wanted to run back to the lab so he could make a few tons of meth that would destroy thousands of lives!

[UVACoug]

I can't remember exactly. Did he poison the kid to kill him, or just to make him sick enough to go to hospital and cause a distraction?

I'm guessing there are tons of complications that could have arisen that could have killed the boy. The doctor's had no idea what they were treating. They seemed to be convinced that he was on the verge of dying. At a minimum, it was a reckless disregard for the boy's life.