About the new board name (cougarstadium.com)

[Scratch]

So you're already backing off your assertion that you know "several" members of the both legal departments.

I meant several total between the two departments. I apologize if I didn't fully proofread my post to make sure it could not be misconstrued.

[Pelado]

UD, I know there are some people that are arguing it is "just a name change and thus should have no real or meaningful effects" but I didn't think that was the understanding of those on the Executive Committee. It is pretty much a name change, but a name change has some signaling effects (as you point out). How that signal affects the long-run equilibrium is largely uncertain, but I would be surprised (I think everyone on the EC agrees) if the effect is zero. Now how large of a shift it really causes, I imagine, there is substantial disagreement over that issue (whatever people's expectation, it probably is important to remember the dispersion parameter for the ex ante distribution is likely to be huge).

Yeah, what he said.

[falafel]

I meant several total between the two departments. I apologize if I didn't fully proofread my post to make sure it could not be misconstrued.

That's okay. But you agree that you only know one member of Utah's law department (even if you neglected to actually elaborate on how you supposedly know that person, focusing on the BYU dept). So we're left with your one apparently tenuous connection to a member of the Utah legal department to support your statement (and DU's) that the Utah legal department would never be riled by a BYU fan's attempts to harass them for just for fun.

[pelagius]

As I tried express above, I think BYU fans and Utah fans see this in profoundly different ways.

This seems to be true. I am not trying to arguing otherwise. Of course, I think it is worth pointing out that like all things on guard->cuf->stadium the noise in comments is large relative to the signal. So I agree with you, but getting a general sense of the magnitude is made difficult because in general many enjoy the sport of the hyperbolic and the petulant (and yes, I understand there is an interaction between the desire to respond hyperbolically and expectations that the name change decreases statistication and happiness derived from posting on the board).

I hear you saying to me and other Utes "you're right, but I'm really surprised how strongly this affected you."

Certainly, I think others have said this ... I don't believe I have ever said anything like that (if people inferred that is what I said then I am indeed inarticulate and sloppy). But maybe you meant "you" as a generic for BYU fans on the board?

[Scratch]

That's okay. But you agree that you only know one member of Utah's law department (even if you neglected to actually elaborate on how you supposedly know that person, focusing on the BYU dept). So we're left with your one apparently tenuous connection to a member of the Utah legal department to support your statement (and DU's) that the Utah legal department would never be riled by a BYU fan's attempts to harass them for just for fun.

If you insist, the U lawyer is a spouse of a friend of mine. I know them pretty well, and have stayed with them during trips to their home during law school.

My guess as to how the different departments would operate is based more on my familiarity with the general attitudes and behavior of the administrations. Frankly, for something like this, my guess is that the decision would probably not come from the legal department but from someone in another department who asked the legal department to deal with it.

[kccougar]

Right now, the impression of what this board should be that is trickling down to me is something along the lines of, "we love individual Utes as long as they are avoiding the sin of discussing Utah sports." Just like the "love the sinner, hate the sin" line, there are a lot of ways to take that.

I haven't seen a single post advocating for a decrease in Ute-related content.

[UtahDan]

Certainly, I think others have said this ... I don't believe I have ever said anything like that. But maybe you meant "you" as a generic for BYU fans on the board?

Maybe I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[DrumNFeather]

Maybe someday in the not to distant future, we'll see Jeff Dehlin leave this forum behind and return to full active membership with CUF.

[clackamascoug]

UD, I know there are some people that are arguing it is "just a name change and thus should have no real or meaningful effects" but I didn't think that was the understanding of those on the Executive Committee. It is pretty much a name change, but a name change has some signaling effects (as you point out). How that signal affects the long-run equilibrium is largely uncertain, but I would be surprised (I think everyone on the EC agrees) if the effect is zero. Now how large of a shift it really causes, I imagine, there is substantial disagreement over that issue (whatever people's expectation, it probably is important to remember the dispersion parameter for the ex ante distribution is likely to be huge).

The only thing that has bothered me was that the reason given for the name change was for future growth. In marketing terms, narrowing the focus increases quality, not quantity. Expanding the focus opens more doors to more people. That's why a target audience of LDS/SPORTS Talk seems more likely to meet the specific growth objective. Unless there's another unsaid tatic at play.

Cougarboard is getting younger and younger demographically. The post's are getting more and more about girlfriends, dating, missions, and football. I think the Executive Committee sees an opportunity to "recruit" the cougarboarders who are growing tired of the younger trending demographic, and want to make them feel comfortable in a more upscale version of their comfort zone. BYU Football, BYU Wifes, BYU Kids, and BYU families that are growing in the Gospel. Cougarstadium.com is just the ticket. In sports we call that "cherry picking" and its a thing that people do to get lots of points with little effort. Or just shine a spotlight in their eyes. Or chum the water with corn. Or give out food stamps to likely voters. It's a viable tatic.

[pelagius]

Maybe I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe ... because it does seem more likely I would say something like: "we have indeed changed the price (an implicit or shadow price) for Ute Fans, so Ute Fans should consequently re-optimize their consumption bundle. We profoundly and deeply hope that the localized slope of the demand curve is quite steep for Utes with respect to the guard-->cuf->stadium but certainly anticipate for some it will be flatter than we hope."

Honestly, can't imagine why you think I would say anything other than above?

[tooblue]

Maybe ... because it does seem more likely I would say something like: "we have indeed changed the price (an implicit or shadow price) for Ute Fans, so Ute Fans should consequently re-optimize their consumption bundle. We profoundly and deeply hope that the localized slope of the demand curve is quite steep for Utes with respect to the guard-->cuf->stadium but certainly anticipate for some it will be flatter than we hope."

Honestly, can't imagine why you think I would say anything other than above?

Because you've said it with your actions ... they speak louder than words.

[myboynoah]

Maybe ... because it does seem more likely I would say something like: "we have indeed changed the price (an implicit or shadow price) for Ute Fans, so Ute Fans should consequently re-optimize their consumption bundle. We profoundly and deeply hope that the localized slope of the demand curve is quite steep for Utes with respect to the guard-->cuf->stadium but certainly anticipate for some it will be flatter than we hope."

Honestly, can't imagine why you think I would say anything other than above?

You really need to step back and try to see how that looks and feels to fans of the UofUtah.

[pelagius]

Because you've said it with your actions ... they speak louder than words.

I think our actions are entirely consistent with what I expressed.

[U-Ute]

I haven't seen a single post advocating for a decrease in Ute-related content.

See any post from cougjunkie, who conveniently found his way back after this event.

[UtahDan]

Maybe ... because it does seem more likely I would say something like: "we have indeed changed the price (an implicit or shadow price) for Ute Fans, so Ute Fans should consequently re-optimize their consumption bundle. We profoundly and deeply hope that the localized slope of the demand curve is quite steep for Utes with respect to the guard-->cuf->stadium but certainly anticipate for some it will be flatter than we hope."

Honestly, can't imagine why you think I would say anything other than above?

Unfortunately you are speaking a language there that I only marginally understand. All I was saying was that the reaction has been much more intense than anticipated, which I don't think is inconsistent with what you are saying there if I understand it.