Fire Ty

[MartyFunkhouser]

Yes! Stick around, you guys. Poor shaka can't find anyone here to match his football IQ so he is being nasty and lashing out.

Speaking of lashing out, I will punch you in the face if I ever see you again with having to see that awful picture of Trump.

[Shaka]

Yes! Stick around, you guys. Poor shaka can't find anyone here to match his football IQ so he is being nasty and lashing out.

Hmmm, maybe you should up your game.

[Jeff Lebowski]

TW. You are missed.

Come back JIC.

Yes! Stick around, you guys. Poor shaka can't find anyone here to match his football IQ so he is being nasty and lashing out.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I'm with Shaka et al; give them two more years to install the offense.

You didn't quote me

[Applejack]

I would also add that I am fine with Ty and hope he stays a long, long, long time

I'm fine with Ty and would like to see him stay.

Stay the course and in the words of Joel Embiid "Trust the process". Nobody needs to be fired. You guys are fine.

I'm with Shaka et al; give them two more years to install the offense.

[Flystripper]

Flystripper. I feel bad for you right now. You are dealing with BYU football and the Blackhawks regression as well. You don't deserve that. This is my way of saying, I hope the Blackhawks find a way to give you some sports enjoyment soon. The reports that the cap may go up to over 80 million may be your Balm of Gilead.

Thanks!

[MartyFunkhouser]

Exposure can be terrible. Some of our ancestors died from exposure! Give me a conference fig leaf please! We are naked!

Flystripper. I feel bad for you right now. You are dealing with BYU football and the Blackhawks regression as well. You don't deserve that. This is my way of saying, I hope the Blackhawks find a way to give you some sports enjoyment soon. The reports that the cap may go up to over 80 million may be your Balm of Gilead.

[Flystripper]

I agree, we should find a conference and rebuild. We have other issues that need to be addressed but the current approach isn't doable. Exposure and the ability for fans in West Virginia shouldn't be concerns.

Exposure can be terrible. Some of our ancestors died from exposure! Give me a conference fig leaf please! We are naked!

[Flystripper]

The biggest benefit of conference affiliation in football is that it gives a more balanced approach to scheduling. Schedules will better reflect what BYU is. This year is more of an aberration than what BYU really is. BYU still is a top tier MWC or AAC club so lets play in one of those conferences and measure ourselves vis-a-vis teams on similar grounding. If a big conference comes and wants us then we jump. We still will be able to play Utah every year and then another power team or two as well. If we play 30 power teams a decade we should be able to win 8-10, so about 1/year. Get back to winning and recruiting will improve subtly. LDS top tier kids will give BYU an ear if they feel they have a legit chance to do something significant on the field and still get to the NFL. Scheduling balance is a key to get back to winning. I don't care if it is the MWC or the AAC to where BYU goes, that is a complex issue that includes what is better for hoops and the olympic sports as well. I do realize while football has not fared well with Independence it seems to me there has been improvement in other programs.

this guy gets it.

[Shaka]

Thank you!

TW. You are missed.

[MartyFunkhouser]

I would also add that I am fine with Ty and hope he stays a long, long, long time

I'll add my voice to this and say that I'm fine with Ty. I'd support BYU firing Sitake and making Ty the head coach.

[falafel]

Responses like this make me want to hang around longer. BYU has been so bad this year that I have avoided taking jabs out of pity. You could change my mind about that decision.

Highly doubt you'll make any decision based on my opinions.

[Flystripper]

Utah's current offensive rankings :

Scoring: 64th
Total offense: 54th
Passing offense: 40th
Rushing offense: 85th


Pedestrian and subpar for certain, but I'll take our problems right now.

Man I would love for BYU to be that good.

[Hot Lunch]

Out of this subject thread, football talk, or this board in general? Come on JL, if you want me gone you've got all the power you need. Give me the Full Santos or maybe our version is the Rocky Balboa.

It's a bit sad that there isn't much football talk on this board that can go beyond the surface level. It used to be great but most of those guys rarely post.

As I'm writing this my email just informed me that Hot Lunch, who's football takes are sorely missed, quoted my post on this thread. I have yet to read his post but I'm guessing it was regarding my response to JIC. to be clear he's one of the guys to whom I'm referring in my sentence above.

Thank you!

[BigFatMeanie]

BYU football as we knew is dead and gone. Its been this way for a while, but its taken a few years for the disengaged flywheel to stop spinning. At this point we have two choices:
1.) Scrap the program (nobody wants this) or
3.) FCS or
2.) Adjust expectations that are rooted in what we are, and not what we were.

The independence gambit was worth the gamble to position ourselves for Big 5 inclusion and make that transition as easy as possible while getting paid more money. That gamble came up half empty. We got more money but the Big 5 conference opportunity is over. The ESPN money will be significantly reduced next contract and we will be better served being in a conference. We lost the bet. The world has changed. We can wait until the ESPN money dries up, but I would prefer to bite the bullet and get into a conference where we can enjoy some success and rebuild. Playing in the MWC will still allow us to get blown out 1 or 2 times a year to a big time program and we get the opportunity to play conference foes with real rivalries while playing for something.

I know most of you guys don't agree. Denial is one of the 5 stages of grief. Eventually you will come to acceptance.

I agree with some of your statements. Other statements I would like to see evidence or arguments to support them.

• I agree with your choice #3. That means I would've expected us to go 9-4 against this year's schedule, maybe 8-5. We are likely going 3-10. BYU shouldn't go 3-10 ever, regardless of conference affiliation or independence.
• I agree that independence was worth the gamble. It looked pretty close to paying off for a while there.
• I agree that Big-5 conference opportunity is over in the short term, but I disagree that the Big 5 conference opportunity is over permanently (I'm assuming you are implying such). 2023 could be a seismic shift for all of college football and I think BYU could be in the realignment picture at that time.
• Do you have any evidence/arguments to support your assertion that the ESPN money will be "significantly reduced"?
• Do you have any arguments beyond "something to play for" for your assertion that BYU would be better served in a (non-Big 5) conference assuming the ESPN money isn't significantly reduced?

I agree that there is some small validity to the "rivalries and something to play for" argument. The issue is whether "rivalries and something to play for" outweighs the reduced exposure and reduced money? I assert they don't based on the following points:

1. We already play our true rival each year as Independents (Utah).
2. We already play the regional pseudo-rivals each and former conference foes (Utah State, Boise State, SDSU, UNLV, Hawaii, SJSU, Nevada, etc.) as Independents.
3. We can soften the schedule and rebuild as easily as an Independent as we could in a conference. A conference doesn't necessarily make it easier to soften the schedule. In fact, a conference could actually make it harder depending on upon the strength of the conference in a given year. Being an Independent doesn't mean we are forced to schedule LSU, Mississippi State, and Wisconsin in the same year.
4. The money in a conference is certainly less.
5. The exposure in a conference is certainly less.

So, I put my 5 points up against the fuzzy benefits of "rivalries and something to play for" that you are asserting and conclude that as long as the ESPN money and exposure don't change significantly, being Independent is a better option than joining a non-Power 5 conference. If the ESPN money and exposure do change significantly then I would most likely change my position and agree with you. Until then, I think my analysis is sound. But feel free to point out any flaws you see in my analysis.