Fire Ty

[originalsocal]

Simple: easily understood. It seems plain to everyone that Ty was one of the biggest issues with our offensive woes this year. I hope so, and that replacing him is a simple or plain way to get things going in the right direction. I fear that history will show otherwise, and that this change made no difference. He's a pretty smart guy. I'm not buying the narrative that's being sold. While I love Sitake, I think Ty is the sacrificial lamb to give him more time to figure things out.

I think Mangum was a huge factor in the train wreck, coupled with the lack of productivity of our seniors on offense.

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I think one of the big problems here is that yes, Ty is a sacrificial lamb for Sitake, but Ty is better suited as the SL for Tom Holmoe. I don't for a minute believe that Kalani chose Ty Detmer. It was more like, "Kalani, we will let you be the HC if Ty Detmer is your OC". Now I don't believe Sitake is blameless, but the guy who should be sweating IMO is Tom Holmoe. This was a calculated risk to bring in Ty, I understand, but I would hope that we would allow the HC to chose who his assistants are. The OC and the HC, especially at BYU need to be on the same page. I go back to the presser the staff held two years ago. Ty was up there mentioning the names of walk-ons, an NCAA violation. Right then and there, Kalani had to be pissing in his pants. Ty is smart, and I think could eventually become a good OC, but he was WAAAAAY too green for this. He was not the right hire to begin with...that lies on the shoulders of Tom Holmoe.

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American Athletic Conference commissioner Mike Aresco on @CSNowTweets this morning: "The 'P6' narrative is very important to us...we feel that we're closer to the P5 than we are the (other G5s)."
7:54 AM - 28 Nov 2017

[snowcat]

Greg Wrubell tweeted something about the AAC pushing to be considered P6. I notice it because I thought it was interesting he was tweeting about AAC. Trial balloon?

[cowboy]

At this point I don't care if BYU goes back to a conference (I would prefer AAC over MWC), but help me understand how that would improve our coach candidate pool.

I don't think it would (I didn't make that clear.) I just think that our constraints make it too hard for us to be competitive nationally, which is what we need to be if we are independent. Without a possible national title to play for, the next best thing is being part of a conference where we play for conference title and renew old rivalries. I think the MWC has said they won't take us back, but I'd bet they change their mind given the chance. My preference is MWC just because the away games would be easier to attend, but any conference is better than no conference right now, imo.

[Jeff Lebowski]

This board has trouble distinguishing the HC (head coach) from the HC (honor code). A similar problem plagues y'alls favorite football team.

Is there anything more banal than a ute fan opining on the BYU honor code? I think not.

[Applejack]

At this point I don't care if BYU goes back to a conference (I would prefer AAC over MWC), but help me understand how that would improve our coach candidate pool.

This board has trouble distinguishing the HC (head coach) from the HC (honor code). A similar problem plagues y'alls favorite football team.

[Jeff Lebowski]

As likable and loved as Ty is, you nailed it. Nobody survives a bottom 10 offense. Similarly, very few HC's survive a bottom 10 offense and a really crappy defense. Our problem is obviously our coaches candidate pool. I know I'm in the minority, (which is ironic for a white guy descended from 9 Mayflower passengers...kind of the poster child for white privilege), but I think it was a bad move to leave the MWC. We just don't have the setup to be national contenders with the HC placing an almost insurmountable barrier to recruiting players and coaches. I also respect others' opinions that I'm full of crap.

At this point I don't care if BYU goes back to a conference (I would prefer AAC over MWC), but help me understand how that would improve our coach candidate pool.

[cowboy]

I think all of that is true AND I think Ty underperformed. It’s hard to survive your job as an OC being in the bottom 10 in offense no matter what else is going on.


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As likable and loved as Ty is, you nailed it. Nobody survives a bottom 10 offense. Similarly, very few HC's survive a bottom 10 offense and a really crappy defense. Our problem is obviously our coaches candidate pool. I know I'm in the minority, (which is ironic for a white guy descended from 9 Mayflower passengers...kind of the poster child for white privilege), but I think it was a bad move to leave the MWC. We just don't have the setup to be national contenders with the HC placing an almost insurmountable barrier to recruiting players and coaches. I also respect others' opinions that I'm full of crap.

[Surfah]

@n8trix on twitter (Nate Kennedy) claiming that Tanner and Beau are gonezo. Dude seems a little unhinged.

That dude is an effing idiot.

[Green Monstah]

@n8trix on twitter (Nate Kennedy) claiming that Tanner and Beau are gonezo. Dude seems a little unhinged.

[Green Monstah]

Okay but what is wrong with the Butch stuff? He is short and was a liability in coverage last year. We’re getting upset because we can’t take honest feedback? I love Butch but he wasn’t nearly as good this year as he was last, in large part because teams took advantage of him in coverage. Don’t get me wrong because I love Butch. And he wasn’t “to blame” for all our losses. But that was a weakness in defense. Sure, there were other factors too, but that was one of them IMO.

Not knowing what was said (some say he was told he'd no longer a LB; others that he was just going to be buried on the depth chart; others that he should look to transfer), this could have been a motivational tool. He was bad this year. He was slow. Some say it's due to injury, others because he didn't spend enough time in the weight room, and even some who claim he spent too much time in the weight room. Whatever the reason, I'd love 2016 Butch back, but I would hope 2017 Butch loses PT in 2018.

[Sizzle]

It’s about to get publicly ugly. Kalani might have done Detmer a favor. I have a feeling the Butch stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.

Okay but what is wrong with the Butch stuff? He is short and was a liability in coverage last year. We’re getting upset because we can’t take honest feedback? I love Butch but he wasn’t nearly as good this year as he was last, in large part because teams took advantage of him in coverage. Don’t get me wrong because I love Butch. And he wasn’t “to blame” for all our losses. But that was a weakness in defense. Sure, there were other factors too, but that was one of them IMO.

[Shaka]

It’s about to get publicly ugly. Kalani might have done Detmer a favor. I have a feeling the Butch stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.

The Butch stuff is pretty brutal. I think the potential exists to really get crazy. I know a lot of BYU fans think BYU needs a big name but they are going to be really disappointed. If I'm a coach I'm thinking Kalani is a lame duck. My guess is it will be Roderick.

[Applejack]

I was out in front of this. Love Ty the player. But Ty the coordinator was downright awful.

No, give it another year or two or three to fully install his offense and BYU would have been unstoppable.

[Green Monstah]

It’s about to get publicly ugly. Kalani might have done Detmer a favor. I have a feeling the Butch stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.

Are you talking about his mom’s rant?