Fire Ty

[smokymountainrain]

Ty should stay. Sitake should be fired.

[Shaka]

It's a subtle way of saying you should tap out.

Out of this subject thread, football talk, or this board in general? Come on JL, if you want me gone you've got all the power you need. Give me the Full Santos or maybe our version is the Rocky Balboa.

It's a bit sad that there isn't much football talk on this board that can go beyond the surface level. It used to be great but most of those guys rarely post.

As I'm writing this my email just informed me that Hot Lunch, who's football takes are sorely missed, quoted my post on this thread. I have yet to read his post but I'm guessing it was regarding my response to JIC. to be clear he's one of the guys to whom I'm referring in my sentence above.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I read this stuff and I wonder how much better can Utah really be? Given what they are they seem like a decent mid tier Pac program. I am interested to see how much better they will be with a decent qb as an upperclassmen.

Hopefully, they will be awful.

[Goatnapper'96]

Hush, you have your own coordinator problems.

I read this stuff and I wonder how much better can Utah really be? Given what they are they seem like a decent mid tier Pac program. I am interested to see how much better they will be with a decent qb as an upperclassmen.

[Hot Lunch]

Hush, you have your own coordinator problems.

We are used to it now. That's an annual thing for us.

[Hot Lunch]

I'm fine with Ty and would like to see him stay.

Stay the course and in the words of Joel Embiid "Trust the process". Nobody needs to be fired. You guys are fine.

[Jeff Lebowski]

That made a lot of sense.

It's a subtle way of saying you should tap out.

[Shaka]

I would also add that I am fine with Ty and hope he stays a long, long, long time

Hush, you have your own coordinator problems.

[Shaka]

If BYU wants to reach its potential in football it isn't going to happen with Kalani as its HC. I tend to think the same about Ty. If he were going to be good at being a D1 OC, I am convinced things would look better than they have. By "things" I mean like getting yards and putting points on the board. However, I tend to believe all evaluations of a program should pretty much start and end with the HC. I don't believe in firing Kalani this soon, but I do believe it is inevitable. I tend to believe Kalani will fire Ty in an effort to shake up the offense and buy himself some time. I wouldn't be upset if he doesn't fire Ty as in my world nothing material will change until after Kalani is removed regardless of who the OC will be next year. I would expect that the new HC will likely not hire Ty Detmer but if he does then that is his choice and I am fine with it. I tend to think hiring somebody with a better track record than Ty would portend for high probability of success but I have been wrong before.

It's possible that Kalani will use Ty as a scapegoat. Personally I think the whole staff needs another year to see what they can do to fix the situation. They need to use the lessons learned from this season, put some accountability into the program, and hit the recruiting trail like crazy. Even then I think they have an uphill climb.

[Art Vandelay]

I would also add that I am fine with Ty and hope he stays a long, long, long time

GTFO Don't you have a timeout to go call or something?

[Goatnapper'96]

I would say you're correct. There really isn't any evidence. With that said in the interest of fairness you have to take the whole picture into account. As it stands Josh Daniels couldn't do much with this offense. There are too many injuries, too much youth, runnning back by committee, and not enough talent.

I'm not advocating we fire any coach at this time but if I did it would be Kalani. The entire team lacks discipline and that plays a huge role in our futillity. That falls squarely on the HC.

If BYU wants to reach its potential in football it isn't going to happen with Kalani as its HC. I tend to think the same about Ty. If he were going to be good at being a D1 OC, I am convinced things would look better than they have. By "things" I mean like getting yards and putting points on the board. However, I tend to believe all evaluations of a program should pretty much start and end with the HC. I don't believe in firing Kalani this soon, but I do believe it is inevitable. I tend to believe Kalani will fire Ty in an effort to shake up the offense and buy himself some time. I wouldn't be upset if he doesn't fire Ty as in my world nothing material will change until after Kalani is removed regardless of who the OC will be next year. I would expect that the new HC will likely not hire Ty Detmer but if he does then that is his choice and I am fine with it. I tend to think hiring somebody with a better track record than Ty would portend for high probability of success but I have been wrong before.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I'm fine with Ty and would like to see him stay.

I would also add that I am fine with Ty and hope he stays a long, long, long time

[Joe Public]

I'm fine with Ty and would like to see him stay.

[Shaka]

I use to have a poster of Ty in my room in college. Until my gf saw it and said: "You're 21. Having a poster of another guy is weird". In retrospect, she was not wrong ....

What I'm trying to figure out is what evidence is there that Mr. Detmer is even an average D1 coordinator? It seems the best case scenario -and the one generations of Shakas seem to support - is he may not be as bad as it appears. This likely is true. I don't want to believe the guy who provided me with so many great memories, is the 7th stupidest guy in D1. However, in 2016 BYU had above average talent (by Provo standards) on the offensive side of the ball. They had a winning record, and came extremely close to having a magical season. Thus, they must have been lighting it up, like the old WAC days, right? Wrong.

2016 stats:

Total offense: 71st (out of 128)- Granted that is the Costanza "meaty part of the curve" area ....
Rushing Offense: This is where last year's team shined, They were ranked 41st. Though, one might argue it will be hard (if not impossible) to have two athletes like Taysom and Jamal in the backfield ever again.
Passing Offense: What most fans thought Ty would bring back to LES, was the ability to throw the pill to balding 23YO RMs- like the glory days. Last year the Cougars were ranked a barftastic 96th


2016 clusters:

Total offense: 122
Rushing Offense: 109
Passing Offense: 91 . They are actually better this year than last

I understand the argument of not Ty's players, injuries. total eclipses, pot on a frisbee, et. al. I don't agree with it, but I get it. But going back to my original question, what evidence has Ty shown that he is even an average coordinator? i would say there is none.

I would say you're correct. There really isn't any evidence. With that said in the interest of fairness you have to take the whole picture into account. As it stands Josh Daniels couldn't do much with this offense. There are too many injuries, too much youth, runnning back by committee, and not enough talent.

I'm not advocating we fire any coach at this time but if I did it would be Kalani. The entire team lacks discipline and that plays a huge role in our futillity. That falls squarely on the HC.

[Shaka]

not a great performance itt man

That made a lot of sense.