2015 College Football Season

[Jeff Lebowski]

I agree with this. I do think my favorite though is the conspiracy theories about pac 12 officials fixing games to conform with the outcomes the league wants.

Knock it off. They are just inept. It happens. And it can be fixed.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here is the exchange. That thread had a lot of dumb posts.







Uncle Ted then chimed in that Allen could hang with BYU (depending on if high school or NCAA rules were followed). The dumb posts continued for a while after that.

Ha. Busted.

[Omaha 680]

College football has a serious officiating problem across the country. PAC 12 officials are very bad, but the problem isn't isolated to one conference. The NCAA really needs to take over officiating for the FBS.

I don't know if I agree with this. There have been some high profile mistakes this year but some of them (like the Arkansas win last night) turn out to not be mistakes at all. Others are close enough that it is understandable they are missed on the field but should be caught in replay. I don't think the NCAA taking over officiating would fix that. It's not like the NFL refs never make bad mistakes .

[Paperback Writer]

Ha. Busted.

Here was my reply in that thread:

Sorry for having started all this - I'll revise my original comment and use Bronco terminology: "Allen High's QB Kyler Murray looks like a college all-American". Murray has not yet had the opportunity to prove himself at the college level; Taysom Hill is a returning starter at BYU. Instead of stating that "Murry is better", perhaps I should have stated "more gifted" or "projects to be better". Nevertheless, I do think Murray is the better passer of the two QBs.

And it's not just that Tyler Murray is from Texas but that's part of it. He is 27-0 as a starting QB in High School against some of the best competition in the country at the high scool level. Allen HS was rated #1 in the country in 2013 and defeated two other Texas schools in the Top Ten. But I don't think they are capable of beating a college team; that's just crazy talk. Here you have a player that still has a year left to play in HS and has passed for 5,000+ yards and 63 TDs and rushed for 2,500+ yards and 44 TDs in just short of two seasons. And that's in a HS division that's one of the most competitive in a region that analysts described as the most talented in the country.
Edit: During his Senior season Murray passed for an additional 4,715 yds and 54 TDs and rushed for 1,498 yds and 24 TDs. He went 43-0 as a starter.

I'll wait a couple of years when Murray and Hill are both in college before making any more comparisons on who is the better QB. But this who episode reminds me of when I was discussing a recruiting class with another fan. Nebraska had just signed a very good RB and a kicker and this guy made the comment that those two players will play immediately. My reply was that Nebraska had a returning all-American RB and a returning starter at PK and these guys probably won't play as Freshman. He simply stated, "I've seen everyone play and these high school players are better". I was proven wrong. Both started as Freshman, had outstanding college careers, and both had very productive NFL careers.

I'll stand by Kyler Murray despite his poor showing last Saturday. He had a good week two weeks ago and has started as true Freshman in the SEC. I continue to think Murray will end up being the more accomplished college QB.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Here was my reply in that thread:

I'll stand by Kyler Murray despite his poor showing last Saturday. He had a good week two weeks ago and has started as true Freshman in the SEC. I continue to think Murray will end up being the more accomplished college QB.

Of course you backtracked. You were being ridiculous.

[Paperback Writer]

Of course you backtracked. You were being ridiculous.

I was pushed out of bounds before I came back in and caught the pass.

[TripletDaddy]

Gotta be honest here. The comparison at the time was obviously ridonk because a HS Jr. Is not better than a starting college sophomore or junior, especially one that is two years older and stronger than the average college counterpart.

in terms of actual college accomplishments, that isn't a huge bar to surpass. If this kid wins a bowl game he has already passed Taysom's actual accomplshments.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Gotta be honest here. The comparison at the time was obviously ridonk because a HS Jr. Is not better than a starting college sophomore or junior, especially one that is two years older and stronger than the average college counterpart.

in terms of actual college accomplishments, that isn't a huge bar to surpass. If this kid wins a bowl game he has already passed Taysom's actual accomplshments.

You beat me to it. PBW's backtrack seemed to imply that if the kid ended up having a better college career than Taysom, he would be vindicated. Huh? There are tons of QBs that are going to end up having a better college career than Taysom. Partly just by avoiding injury.

Everybody move along. Nothing to see here...

[cougjunkie]

You beat me to it. PBW's backtrack seemed to imply that if the kid ended up having a better college career than Taysom, he would be vindicated. Huh? There are tons of QBs that are going to end up having a better college career than Taysom. Partly just by avoiding injury.

Everybody move along. Nothing to see here...

The way PBW and Uncle Ted talk about Texas high school football, there SEC should be a step down in competition.

[Paperback Writer]

You beat me to it. PBW's backtrack seemed to imply that if the kid ended up having a better college career than Taysom, he would be vindicated. Huh? There are tons of QBs that are going to end up having a better college career than Taysom. Partly just by avoiding injury.

Everybody move along. Nothing to see here...

To clarify further, when I posted the following: "I'll wait a couple of years when Murray and Hill are both in college before making any more comparisons on who is the better QB." it was prior to the 2014 season. Back when Taysom Hill was on Heisman watch lists and some posters were worried he would leave early for the NFL prior to his Senior 2015 season. Agree that injuries have made surpassing Taysom Hill's college career a somewhat low bar. But so is picking out a week where Kyler Murray had a poor showing as evidence that he isn't as good of a QB as Taysom Hill and erroneously stating that Hill never threw three picks in a game when he did so twice.

Stating that Kyler Murray as a HS JR was better than Taysom Hill as college SO/JR was bold if not ridiculous. I backtracked but stated that I still thought Murray would be the better QB. Given Hill's subsequent bad luck with injuries, any comparisons to Murray in college are very much skewed. But starting for Texas A&M in the SEC as a true Freshman is an accomplishment even with having a bad week.

I'll be moving along...

[New Mexican Disaster]

To clarify further, when I posted the following: "I'll wait a couple of years when Murray and Hill are both in college before making any more comparisons on who is the better QB." it was prior to the 2014 season. Back when Taysom Hill was on Heisman watch lists and some posters were worried he would leave early for the NFL prior to his Senior 2015 season. Agree that injuries have made surpassing Taysom Hill's college career a somewhat low bar. But so is picking out a week where Kyler Murray had a poor showing as evidence that he isn't as good of a QB as Taysom Hill and erroneously stating that Hill never threw three picks in a game when he did so twice.

Stating that Kyler Murray as a HS JR was better than Taysom Hill as college SO/JR was bold if not ridiculous. I backtracked but stated that I still thought Murray would be the better QB. Given Hill's subsequent bad luck with injuries, any comparisons to Murray in college are very much skewed. But starting for Texas A&M in the SEC as a true Freshman is an accomplishment even with having a bad week.

I'll be moving along...

He looked like dogshit against Alabama, too. Also, Kyle Allen will probably be back in there whenever he has a down game. They have had a real problem toggling between abs the last couple of years.

[cougjunkie]

To clarify further, when I posted the following: "I'll wait a couple of years when Murray and Hill are both in college before making any more comparisons on who is the better QB." it was prior to the 2014 season. Back when Taysom Hill was on Heisman watch lists and some posters were worried he would leave early for the NFL prior to his Senior 2015 season. Agree that injuries have made surpassing Taysom Hill's college career a somewhat low bar. But so is picking out a week where Kyler Murray had a poor showing as evidence that he isn't as good of a QB as Taysom Hill and erroneously stating that Hill never threw three picks in a game when he did so twice.

Stating that Kyler Murray as a HS JR was better than Taysom Hill as college SO/JR was bold if not ridiculous. I backtracked but stated that I still thought Murray would be the better QB. Given Hill's subsequent bad luck with injuries, any comparisons to Murray in college are very much skewed. But starting for Texas A&M in the SEC as a true Freshman is an accomplishment even with having a bad week.

I'll be moving along...

He started because the starter was ineffective, quit pretending he went out and won the job. After Allen shit the bed it was Murray or a former Oklahoma state walk-on. Quit pretending he went out and impressed the coaches so much,they just had to play him. You need to move along because your statement was ridiculous then and even more so now.

[Paperback Writer]

He started because the starter was ineffective, quit pretending he went out and won the job. After Allen shit the bed it was Murray or a former Oklahoma state walk-on. Quit pretending he went out and impressed the coaches so much,they just had to play him. You need to move along because your statement was ridiculous then and even more so now.

More ridiculous than stating that Taysom Hill never threw 3 interceptions in a game when he did so twice in 2013? Maybe it's you who needs to move along.

After Texas A&M lost to Ole Miss, Kevin Sumlin re-opened the competition for starting QB and named Kyler Murray the starter against South Carolina. Murray played well in that A&M victory and he started the following week against Auburn.

[Omaha 680]

Big Ten stands by call at end of Nebraska/Michigan State game.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...michigan-state

"Per NCAA rules, the instant replay crew cannot review the severity of contact, as that is a judgment call handled by the officials on the field," the Big Ten said in a statement to ESPN.com. "If the player went out of bounds without contact, he may not return to the field to make the catch unless it has been touched first by an opponent. The instant replay crew did confirm contact between the players, that the wide receiver reestablished himself in the field of play and completed the catch. After the replay review, the referee announced that the play stands as called on the field. The intent of instant replay is not to review all judgment calls."

Big Ten supervisor of officials Bill Carollo later elaborated: "The only thing replay could have done to overturn to illegal touching is indisputable video evidence that showed no contact at all. We didn't have that. Replay is not authorized to re-officiate the play. We're comfortable with where we ended up."

[cougjunkie]

Big Ten stands by call at end of Nebraska/Michigan State game.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...michigan-state

So the replay officials did the right thing based on the replay rules. But the officials on the field effed up.