Good interview with Brandon Doman on 1280 about BYU

[Bo Diddley]

The threads in this board need to have a subtitle that changes with whatever is the current discussion. That subtitle should be changed to keep up with the general discussion within that thread at the time.

So this thread's subtitle would read something like, How to Beat a Dead Horse: Nelson was the suckiest suck that ever sucked.

[Hsaru]

If the 2 QB/2 completely different offense/team culture division debacle doesn't happen in 2010 and Bronco gets his team behind the guy who played the best in spring/summer/fall 2010 and Heaps and the young offense gets the reps they desperately needed in Anae's real offense then Anae is never fired and Riley Nelson NEVER sees the field as a starter and probably transfers somewhere in a huff.

Judging the worth of a QB by the travesty of an offense that Doman trotted out to start(he tried to run Bama/Stanford's offense with our personnel and later scrapped it) in 2011 is asinine.

[Eddie]

If the 2 QB/2 completely different offense/team culture division debacle doesn't happen in 2010 and Bronco gets his team behind the guy who played the best in spring/summer/fall 2010 and Heaps and the young offense gets the reps they desperately needed in Anae's real offense then Anae is never fired and Riley Nelson NEVER sees the field as a starter and probably transfers somewhere in a huff.

Judging the worth of a QB by the travesty of an offense that Doman trotted out to start(he tried to run Bama/Stanford's offense with our personnel and later scrapped it) in 2011 is asinine.

Still banging that drum?

So - do you really think that Anae was fired and then came back to BYU? I mean, I believed that when it first happened too. But something in the back of my mind keeps telling me that if Bronco had really fired Anae, why wouldn't Anae have told him to shove off when Bronco was looking for a new OC? Because this time Bronco isn't going to second guess everything he does and stick him with offensive staff that he doesn't want?

[jay santos]

Still banging that drum?

So - do you really think that Anae was fired and then came back to BYU? I mean, I believed that when it first happened too. But something in the back of my mind keeps telling me that if Bronco had really fired Anae, why wouldn't Anae have told him to shove off when Bronco was looking for a new OC? Because this time Bronco isn't going to second guess everything he does and stick him with offensive staff that he doesn't want?

I don't want to be accused of agreeing with Hsaru on anything, but isn't what you describe, ie Anae getting fired, pretty much well accepted as how it went down? I agree it was odd that Bronco offered him and he returned, but I think that's exactly how it happened.

[The_Douger]

I think he got fired. It seems like revisionist history that he just left.

[Commando]

If the 2 QB/2 completely different offense/team culture division debacle doesn't happen in 2010 and Bronco gets his team behind the guy who played the best in spring/summer/fall 2010 and Heaps and the young offense gets the reps they desperately needed in Anae's real offense then Anae is never fired and Riley Nelson NEVER sees the field as a starter and probably transfers somewhere in a huff.

I hate when QBs transfer in a huff. Who was the last guy to do that- I can't remember?

[Commando]

I think he got fired. It seems like revisionist history that he just left.

Like Anae's first hand account corroborated with Bronco and Tom Holmoe's accounts that he just left? Not really.

[MarkGrace]

There's no way he got fired. Best evidence of that is the fact he's back.

[Eddie]

Like Anae's first hand account corroborated with Bronco and Tom Holmoe's accounts that he just left? Not really.

Yeah - once Anae came out saying that he decided he needed to step away, which led to his decision to go to Arizona; combined with Bronco stating that he tried to talk Anae into staying but was unsuccessful...

I thought that it was pretty much accepted at this point that Anae chose to leave, and then chose to come back.

I could see the decision to leave being at least somewhat driven by Bronco's announcement at the time that he was going to interview all of the offensive staff and that nothing was certain for the coming year. But that announcement could've simply led Anae to deciding that he still had stuff to learn as an OC and needed more experience and exposure to differing offensive philosophies.

Either way I think Anae's return brings a LOT of doubt to the narrative that he was fired. Dude has demonstrated way too much pride to believe that he would ever return to coach for a guy who had fired him in the past.

[byu71]

Yeah - once Anae came out saying that he decided he needed to step away, which led to his decision to go to Arizona; combined with Bronco stating that he tried to talk Anae into staying but was unsuccessful...

I thought that it was pretty much accepted at this point that Anae chose to leave, and then chose to come back.

I could see the decision to leave being at least somewhat driven by Bronco's announcement at the time that he was going to interview all of the offensive staff and that nothing was certain for the coming year. But that announcement could've simply led Anae to deciding that he still had stuff to learn as an OC and needed more experience and exposure to differing offensive philosophies.

Either way I think Anae's return brings a LOT of doubt to the narrative that he was fired. Dude has demonstrated way too much pride to believe that he would ever return to coach for a guy who had fired him in the past.

I wonder if anyone on here thinks that because of the "high integrity", "high moral standards" and "great traditions" that one is justified in not telling the truth to protect those characteristics against outsiders doubting.

[Eddie]

I wonder if anyone on here thinks that because of the "high integrity", "high moral standards" and "great traditions" that one is justified in not telling the truth to protect those characteristics against outsiders doubting.

Oh - I'm not beyond believing that a coach can be less than truthful. I wouldn't put it past them to include some revisionist history when it comes to certain events.


But just to put things in perspective - how many people here would return to work for a guy who had fired you? And what would it take?

If you had been fired, would you let him tell the world that you were an insecure employee who accepted a demotion to work for another organization because you'd been struggling with job performance...and that a couple of years later, when your job came open again, he had convinced you to return?

Or would you want him to tell the world that firing you was a HUGE mistake and he had to beg and make all kinds of promises in order to get you to return?

I think this is the kind of question that when answered helps folks like Goatnapper determine who squats when they pee and who doesn't.

[byu71]

Oh - I'm not beyond believing that a coach can be less than truthful. I wouldn't put it past them to include some revisionist history when it comes to certain events.


But just to put things in perspective - how many people here would return to work for a guy who had fired you? And what would it take?

If you had been fired, would you let him tell the world that you were an insecure employee who accepted a demotion to work for another organization because you'd been struggling with job performance...and that a couple of years later, when your job came open again, he had convinced you to return?

Or would you want him to tell the world that firing you was a HUGE mistake and he had to beg and make all kinds of promises in order to get you to return?

I think this is the kind of question that when answered helps folks like Goatnapper determine who squats when they pee and who doesn't.

I think higher ups having an easier time justifying stretching the truth at BYU than might happen otherwise. It is better than people are lied to than a whole nation dwindle in disbelief. Essentially isn't that why Pres. Hinckley was less than truthful when it came to the Mark Hoffman thing.

[Hsaru]

Here is a poll I made asking about the Anae firing/not firing situation:

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...ml?id=10895198

Even among the less questioning faithful they aren't totally buying what BYU wants to sell us to make the Anae hire look more positive.

[UVACoug]

I don't want to be accused of agreeing with Hsaru on anything, but isn't what you describe, ie Anae getting fired, pretty much well accepted as how it went down? I agree it was odd that Bronco offered him and he returned, but I think that's exactly how it happened.

Not according to Anae or Bronco or anyone else that would be in a position to really know what happened.

[dabrockster]

Good to see Hasru drop in after a loss for BYU.. There are a few things I can rely on and one of those is that Hasru will ALWAYS drop by after a loss to pledge his undying crotch-sniffing love for Heaps.


Look forward to you dropping by again as Heaps shows his "abilities" against South Dakota. I just hope you will drop by once he plays Texas, TCU, Okie St., OU, etc. But as I see him getting the snot kicked out of him I think you will be "surprisingly" absent..