Good interview with Brandon Doman on 1280 about BYU

[smokymountainrain]

You never can be too sure with that "badass" thread still lurking somewhere around here!

[Harry Tic]

lol

Hey, nobody's saying he was Detmer, obviously. But the point stands: lots of observers here and elsewhere were wetting themselves over Heaps' tight spirals in practice while at the same time cherishing the memories of Detmer. But Detmer threw an ugly ball (for that matter, Young's mechanics at BYU left something to be desired). I watch replays of those old games and can't believe that Detmer would survive the wrath of CB or CS today. Being a successful QB at BYU has never meant that you throw a pretty ball or don't occasionally get lucky. We've rarely had a robo-QB at BYU and when we have, they haven't necessarily been that successful. That's all I'm saying.

[Pheidippides]

I honestly can't remember what I posted about Riley - likely I was for him before I was against him - but the entire offense was a cluster. The OL play was miserable. Riley gave us the best chance with miserable OL play but he always seemed to make a handful of really stupid decisions - not just kinda stupid, like bad reads, but really stupid, like refusing to take a sack and instead turning the play into a game of 500. It still blows my mind that he had as few interceptions that he did, and I cite that as one of the few evidences I have that the Mormon God exists and is a merciful interventionalist. It still pains me that perhaps the best BYU defense of my lifetime was wasted on a guy whose greatest move was pulling up his shirt and flashing his abs to the girls in the stands.

I will freely admit that I supported the move of Doman to OC. I also freely admit that I was wrong. In fact, usually it takes multiple people to be as wrong as I was. Thankfully, not a few of you were wrong too, so I am in reasonable company.

[MarkGrace]

I honestly can't remember what I posted about Riley - likely I was for him before I was against him - but the entire offense was a cluster. The OL play was miserable. Riley gave us the best chance with miserable OL play but he always seemed to make a handful of really stupid decisions - not just kinda stupid, like bad reads, but really stupid, like refusing to take a sack and instead turning the play into a game of 500. It still blows my mind that he had as few interceptions that he did, and I cite that as one of the few evidences I have that the Mormon God exists and is a merciful interventionalist. It still pains me that perhaps the best BYU defense of my lifetime was wasted on a guy whose greatest move was pulling up his shirt and flashing his abs to the girls in the stands.

I will freely admit that I supported the move of Doman to OC. I also freely admit that I was wrong. In fact, usually it takes multiple people to be as wrong as I was. Thankfully, not a few of you were wrong too, so I am in reasonable company.

Well he ran a 1:1 TD to INT rate last year, so he was throwing a decent amount at least in relation to the number TDs he was throwing.

[Pheidippides]

Well he ran a 1:1 TD to INT rate last year, so he was throwing a decent amount at least in relation to the number TDs he was throwing.

I'm talking more about the number of dropped ints last year. It could have been way worse.

[Blueintheface]

Full disclosure from a Riley defender (there are very few of us, I know). He had a limited skill set. He was best suited to coming off the bench and providing a spark rather than slogging it out as "the guy," particularly at a place like BYU. He was horribly mismanaged by Doman and Bronco, who seemed to be determined to make him into something he never could be.

But 2011 would have been a low point in BYU football history without him--or somebody--coming in and picking up the pieces. The loss to Utah State would have been devastating. Yeah, he throws an ugly ball and got away with stuff he never should have. So what? So did Detmer. And it's flat out wrong to say he was "fully healthy" at Tulsa. It was evident to anyone that watched it that he wasn't.

Make no mistake: the Heaps-Nelson debacle was a systemic breakdown. It's really unfair to impugn either one of those guys. Neither one was put in a situation where they could succeed.

Is he right? 'Cause I know that's the popular version of what went on there. And a lot of people like to believe that. I wish I could, but I was there. I wasn't here in a chatroom, hoping I was right, thinking about it. I was up to my knees in gatorade bottles, with misting fans that didn't work! Going up against the Aggies, slugging it out with 'em while pussies like you were back here partying, fist rolling, doing jello, and listening to Jericho Road albums! OH! OH! OH!

[Sizzle]

Well he ran a 1:1 TD to INT rate last year, so he was throwing a decent amount at least in relation to the number TDs he was throwing.

How many TDs did Jamal have receiving last year? Because the shovel pass isn't exactly a pass and skews those totals.

[Indy Coug]

How many TDs did Jamal have receiving last year? Because the shovel pass isn't exactly a pass and skews those totals.

So are you going to throw out all screen passes for all QBs going forward? In any event, Williams had only 1 receiving TD.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

The war was lost when Anae was ran out of town and replaced with Doman. Heaps didn't look bad at the end of his freshman year.

I don't pretend to understand this because Doman was the QB coach at that time. However, Heaps looked pretty damn good by the end of 2010 and then went over a cliff.

There's no evidence that 2012 would have been better with Doman + Heaps.

[Commando]

The war was lost when Anae was ran out of town and replaced with Doman. Heaps didn't look bad at the end of his freshman year.

I don't pretend to understand this because Doman was the QB coach at that time. However, Heaps looked pretty damn good by the end of 2010 and then went over a cliff.

There's no evidence that 2012 would have been better with Doman + Heaps.

McKay Jacobsen also looked pretty damn good at the end of his freshman year. Then he got married.

[wapiti]

The war was lost when Anae was ran out of town and replaced with Doman. Heaps didn't look bad at the end of his freshman year.

I don't pretend to understand this because Doman was the QB coach at that time. However, Heaps looked pretty damn good by the end of 2010 and then went over a cliff.

There's no evidence that 2012 would have been better with Doman + Heaps.

One of my first assessments when watching the Ole Miss game was "How is this possible? Heaps regressed from where he was last year." I, along with the everyone else, expected Heaps to be at least as good as he was as a frosh. There has been speculation on how Heaps chose to spend his summer. But I think the new offense and Doman are the main culprits of the regression.

[Harry Tic]

If 2010-2012 was the nadir of the Bronco years, we'll be okay: we won 64% of our games; over the last two seasons we won 69%. If we were to win 8 games this year (61%) I'd be okay. If we win 9 I would be pleased (69%). And if we were to win 10 (77%), I'd be thrilled. Tougher schedule, I know (and I'm assuming we qualify for a bowl game). But the way BYU fans melt down, you'd have thought we were well below 50%.

[falafel]

McKay Jacobsen also looked pretty damn good at the end of his freshman year. Then he got married. went on a mission

FIFY

[Indy Coug]

If 2010-2012 was the nadir of the Bronco years, we'll be okay: we won 64% of our games; over the last two seasons we won 69%. If we were to win 8 games this year (61%) I'd be okay. If we win 9 I would be pleased (69%). And if we were to win 10 (77%), I'd be thrilled. Tougher schedule, I know (and I'm assuming we qualify for a bowl game). But the way BYU fans melt down, you'd have thought we were well below 50%.

For the last 10 years of LaVell's career, BYU went 82-42-2, or a winning% of 65.9%.

[Harry Tic]

For the last 10 years of LaVell's career, BYU went 82-42-2, or a winning% of 65.9%.

Can you imagine if Lavell had been around with today's sports boards? Geez.

I'll say one last thing in defense of RN and then we can hopefully move on to more interesting and relevant topics like, I don't know, Taysom and 2013.

The charge that RN wasn't a D1 QB are BS. The guy had a 152 efficiency rating in 2011, which put him just below McMahon's 1981 season and just above Bosco's 1984 season. Yes, you read that right.

http://cougarstats.com/stats.php

Absolutely no one would claim that he is in the ballpark of those QBs in terms of his legacy. And, yes, his 2012 numbers sucked (PEF: 119, just below Matt Berry's 2002 and just above Bob Jensen's 1987 and Jake Heaps' 2010 numbers). How much his performance suffered from playing injured and how much he was to blame for playing hurt are open to debate. But his 2010 2011 campaign alone demonstrates that if you say he was incapable of playing QB at the D1 level you've got an ax to grind. The numbers don't bear it out.