2012 BYU Football Season

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  • pelagius
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 5288

    #1951
    Originally posted by Surfah View Post
    And now Massey and Pelagius are on our side:



    Well, personally I rate BYU a bit higher (30-35 in my own modeling) but Massey's 42 is easily within a reasonable confidence interval for me. If I were using my numbers, the mass of the distribution would be shifted a little bit (more mass at 8 wins and little less at 7 or less but it even my more optimistic view wouldn't look much different than that graph).
    Last edited by pelagius; 10-24-2013, 12:54 AM.

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    • Surfah
      Where's Wallace?
      • Nov 2008
      • 33726

      #1952
      BYU's Bronco Mendenhall (38). He easily made the worst coaching decision of the last week, at Boise State. The Cougars scored to make it 7-6 with 3:37 left in the game and Mendenhall decided to go for a two-pointer and the win. There were two big problems with that decision: BYU was out of timeouts, which meant a final possession would be sheer panic; and even more importantly, overtime would favor the team with even a scantly competent kicker. Riley Stephenson hasn't been great for the Cougars (his miss at the end helped cost them the Utah game) but Boise's kicker situation is even worse. Playing for overtime would have been the smart call.
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      • Portland Ute
        Junior Member
        • Dec 2008
        • 5647

        #1953
        I'm surprised in all the discussion about the end of the Boise game that the decision to NOT kick an onside kick is pretty much ignored.

        To me, that was an even bigger no-brainer than kicking the PAT, ESPECIALLY following the failed 2 pt conversion.

        Kicking it deep to Boise was essentially conceding the game wheras BYU had some time to move the ball had they recovered the onside kick.

        Nobody is really even talking about not taking the onside kick.

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        • Donuthole
          Official Outgayer
          • Nov 2008
          • 25268

          #1954
          Originally posted by Portland Ute View Post
          I'm surprised in all the discussion about the end of the Boise game that the decision to NOT kick an onside kick is pretty much ignored.

          To me, that was an even bigger no-brainer than kicking the PAT, ESPECIALLY following the failed 2 pt conversion.

          Kicking it deep to Boise was essentially conceding the game wheras BYU had some time to move the ball had they recovered the onside kick.

          Nobody is really even talking about not taking the onside kick.
          It has been discussed. It compounded the problem (sealed the deal, actually) but is hardly the bigger no-brainer of the two. Compare the odds of making a PAT (95%? Just a guess) combined with the odds of winning in OT when your opponent has to score a TD vs. the odds of recovering an onside kick, and I'm almost certain that the math says that going for two was the bigger statistical gaffe.

          Of course they should have tried an onside kick, but that deserves much less discussion than the 2-pt conversion decision, as the former is entirely derivative of the latter
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          • kccougar
            9262
            • Nov 2008
            • 7020

            #1955
            Originally posted by Donuthole View Post
            It has been discussed. It compounded the problem (sealed the deal, actually) but is hardly the bigger no-brainer of the two. Compare the odds of making a PAT (95%? Just a guess) combined with the odds of winning in OT when your opponent has to score a TD vs. the odds of recovering an onside kick, and I'm almost certain that the math says that going for two was the bigger statistical gaffe.

            Of course they should have tried an onside kick, but that deserves much less discussion than the 2-pt conversion decision, as the former is entirely derivative of the latter
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            I think it was a game or two before that Stephenson set the BYU record for consecutive successful PAT.
            "It's devastating, because we lost to a team that's not even in the Pac-12. To lose to Utah State is horrible." - John White IV

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            • Surfah
              Where's Wallace?
              • Nov 2008
              • 33726

              #1956
              Originally posted by kccougar View Post
              I think it was a game or two before that Stephenson set the BYU record for consecutive successful PAT.
              He and Sorenson are perfect so far at BYU.
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              • MarkGrace
                Grooveshark dick tease
                • Dec 2008
                • 31546

                #1957
                Remember last year when Iona Pritchard was a huge loss and was a Manase Tonga-like back and was gong to help our run game and pass protection? So, yeah, what happened to that?
                So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                • Coach McGuirk
                  1
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 12109

                  #1958
                  Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                  Remember last year when Iona Pritchard was a huge loss and was a Manase Tonga-like back and was gong to help our run game and pass protection? So, yeah, what happened to that?

                  In 1.5 qtrs as a starter, Taysom Hill is the second leading rusher on the team. Holy shitballs.

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                  • Goatnapper'96
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 10924

                    #1959
                    Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                    Remember last year when Iona Pritchard was a huge loss and was a Manase Tonga-like back and was gong to help our run game and pass protection? So, yeah, what happened to that?
                    Given the offensive system we started with last year he should have contributed. I don't know if he would have but I think that the change in offensive style of play has made a back like him not as useful. So it might have been accurate last year whereas now he is a fellow without a home.
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                    • Blueintheface
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 15382

                      #1960
                      Originally posted by MarkGrace View Post
                      Remember last year when Iona Pritchard was a huge loss and was a Manase Tonga-like back and was gong to help our run game and pass protection? So, yeah, what happened to that?
                      I'd have to go back and look but IIRC he has been in on the first play from scrimmage in each game only to disappear the rest of the game. I'd sure like to see us line up in the i and smack the bows around a bit. I know I'm asking too much.
                      "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                      "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                      • Goatnapper'96
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 10924

                        #1961
                        Originally posted by Coach McGuirk View Post
                        In 1.5 qtrs as a starter, Taysom Hill is the second leading rusher on the team. Holy shitballs.
                        Why has the runningback recruiting struggled? Or has the O-line been the cause? Perhaps a bit of both.

                        I do think Jamal Williams will be a quality D1 back, but then again I thought that Alisa would be much better than he is.

                        My belief is that there is more talent there than we are seeing. The issues at qb are creating a very unfortunate rippling affect.
                        Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                        -General George S. Patton

                        I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                        -DOCTOR Wuap

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                        • Commando
                          Explosivo
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 20748

                          #1962
                          Am I wrong in believing our o line is a piece of shit? Why does the option get absolutely blown up in the backfield every. single. time.? We should be able to get a push of a few yards when we're running it up the gut on 1st down and the box isn't stacked, but we don't. Do we need to go back to having fat asses on the line just so we can manage a defensive line? Our RBs are big and fast, but it seems the only time we get positive yards downfield is when a play is blown up and LBs are dropped back into coverage and the QB takes off.
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                          • MarkGrace
                            Grooveshark dick tease
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 31546

                            #1963
                            The OL it a complete piece of shit. And so is that option to the short side. But to me it seems like we've had more success with the option using Hill than Riley. Riley just doesn't seem to have a very good feel for it.
                            So Russell...what do you love about music? To begin with, everything.

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                            • Blueintheface
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 15382

                              #1964
                              Originally posted by Commando View Post
                              Am I wrong in believing our o line is a piece of shit? Why does the option get absolutely blown up in the backfield every. single. time.? We should be able to get a push of a few yards when we're running it up the gut on 1st down and the box isn't stacked, but we don't. Do we need to go back to having fat asses on the line just so we can manage a defensive line? Our RBs are big and fast, but it seems the only time we get positive yards downfield is when a play is blown up and LBs are dropped back into coverage and the QB takes off.
                              Not to pick on one individual as many are deserving but if you ISO on Braden Hansen you will facepalm yourself at least a dozen times a game. He hasn't received the memo that moving your feet is a good thing, especially on the ridiculously called short-side option play.
                              "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                              "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                              • The_Douger
                                Athletic Supporter
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 5413

                                #1965
                                Ryker Matthews has looked quite soft much of the year as well.
                                Will donate kidney for B12 membership.

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