Top 5 coaches in college football?

[cougjunkie]

Sure, and Peterson's run his program at least as well as anyone else over the last six years.

Awesome call me when he builds an elite program and is not spoon fed one.

[Pelado]

Of course he is a cheater they just had sanctions brought against them. All these kids from the Netherlands just happen to play high school ball in Boise? If this was happening at any other school people would be all over them but since it is Boise and nobody cares the NCAA just lets it slide.

Do you know what the sanctions are for?

[Pelado]

Awesome call me when he builds an elite program and is not spoon fed one.

Yeah, because he was spoon-fed an awesome offense...that he built.

[Paperback Writer]

I want to see these coaches actually build programs. All Les Miles, Chris Peterson, and Chip Kelly have done is keep rolling what someone else built. Peterson has had the hardest job and Miles probably the easiest.

Nick Saban has built two programs. Not that either LSU or Bama were terrible before he arrived but neither one was a legit NC contender and now they are year in and year out.

Once you become a name school and get a reputation it makes it a lot easier.

It will be rare for any coach to truly build a program today. Especailly for "name" schools - they have already been built. As you stated, "once you become a name school and get a reputation it makes it a lot easier". I'd also add along with reputation: fan base, facilities, money, etc. All those provide a foundation to rebuild upon. It appears the term "rebuild" is now being used to describe Nick Saban at LSU and Alabama and that is more accurate. However, I'd argue that the only difference between Saban and other coaches is that the programs they inherited went through a "down" cycle before they took over while the others did not. Obviously, that made their job tougher but the infrastructure for winning was already in existence before they arrived.

Take Oklahoma for example; Bud Wilkinson (1947-63) built that program. Barry Switzer (1973-88) didn't rebuild OU football but only because Chuck Fairbanks (1967-72) was fairly successful in Norman before moving on to the NFL. But Bob Stoops (1999 - present) does get credit for rebuilding OU football because the previous two coaches were not successful. So is Bob Stoops more revered than Barry Switzer because Stoops took over after a 5-6 season while Switzer took over after an 11-1 season?

If one doesn't want to give credit to Les Miles at LSU because he didn't "rebuild" that program; give him credit for turning/"rebuilding" Oklahoma St. into a winning program.

[dabrockster]

How about Top 5 coaches with quirky mannerisms.. I can only think of one.. Maybe ya'll have others..

Patterson (Dude CAN'T leave his pants alone)...

[Paperback Writer]

Top 5 A hole Football Coaches that seem sleazy,

1. Nick Saban
2. Urban Meyer
3. The Weasel (oops! no longer a coach. Has a coach ever been fired before playing in a CCG before now?)
4. Patterson
5. Bo Pellini

Would like to know how Bo Pelini made your list. Was it the A hole criteria or the sleazy criteria? I'll give you the A hole designation based on his sideline antics and media interactions but his players and assistant coaches will not back you up on it. However, I don't get the "sleazy" insult. So far, Pelini has run a clean program at Nebraska - based on his recruting class rankings, he isn't cheating enough.

[dabrockster]

Peterson. My gut tells me that behind that squeeky clean farmer boy facade is a slimy cheater.

But he's good. He's at the top of my list of top coaches.

In regards to Peterson "keeping it rolling", many would argue he was the genius behind Hawkins. I think Peterson built Boise to where it is. He gets the credit. He's damned good on both offense and defense with very little in the way of resources.

Peterson deserves to be higher on this list than Patteson. Patterson just pisses off BYU fans. That doesn't make him sleezy.

I bet you lose LOTS of bets on your gut feeling..

Of course he is a cheater they just had sanctions brought against them. All these kids from the Netherlands just happen to play high school ball in Boise? If this was happening at any other school people would be all over them but since it is Boise and nobody cares the NCAA just lets it slide.

WOW. I had not heard of this until now when I googled this because I thought you were talking about the Tennis Team violations and were blowing smoke up our ass....

[Portland Ute]

How about Top 5 coaches with quirky mannerisms.. I can only think of one.. Maybe ya'll have others..

Patterson (Dude CAN'T leave his pants alone)...

Lavell used to do that thing with his car keys and his ears.

Are we sticking only to current coaches?

[Portland Ute]

I bet you lose LOTS of bets on your gut feeling..



WOW. I had not heard of this until now when I googled this because I thought you were talking about the Tennis Team violations and were blowing smoke up our ass....

So....you take exception to my gut feeling that Peterson is a cheater but in the same post acknowledge cj's quip about BSU cheating with players from the Netherlands?


is right!

[BoylenOver]

Saban
Miles
Meyer
Gene Chizik
Patterson

Chizik overachieved given the talent level he had in 2009 with Auburn, and did a nice job last year. But without Cam Newton that's not a BCS team in 2010, nevermind a national champion. That defense was bad. And he was not very good at all with Iowa St. Paul Rhoads is doing more with the Cyclones than Chizik did.

[Top Ute]

It will be rare for any coach to truly build a program today. Especailly for "name" schools - they have already been built. As you stated, "once you become a name school and get a reputation it makes it a lot easier". I'd also add along with reputation: fan base, facilities, money, etc. All those provide a foundation to rebuild upon. It appears the term "rebuild" is now being used to describe Nick Saban at LSU and Alabama and that is more accurate. However, I'd argue that the only difference between Saban and other coaches is that the programs they inherited went through a "down" cycle before they took over while the others did not. Obviously, that made their job tougher but the infrastructure for winning was already in existence before they arrived.

Take Oklahoma for example; Bud Wilkinson (1947-63) built that program. Barry Switzer (1973-88) didn't rebuild OU football but only because Chuck Fairbanks (1967-72) was fairly successful in Norman before moving on to the NFL. But Bob Stoops (1999 - present) does get credit for rebuilding OU football because the previous two coaches were not successful. So is Bob Stoops more revered than Barry Switzer because Stoops took over after a 5-6 season while Switzer took over after an 11-1 season?

If one doesn't want to give credit to Les Miles at LSU because he didn't "rebuild" that program; give him credit for turning/"rebuilding" Oklahoma St. into a winning program.

Making your argument stronger. It was actually three coaches (Gibbs, Schnellenberger, Blake)

[dabrockster]

So....you take exception to my gut feeling that Peterson is a cheater but in the same post acknowledge cj's quip about BSU cheating with players from the Netherlands?


is right!

Yes I am.. Show me where it states he is linked to any of that or had knowledge of it...

[Paperback Writer]

Making your argument stronger. It was actually three coaches (Gibbs, Schnellenberger, Blake)

I give Gary Gibbs (1989-94) a pass when he was HC at OU. His term started out with NCAA sanctions levied under Switzer's watch. Gibb's OU teams never had a losing season although the Sooners went 6-6 his last year with his only bowl game loss to BYU. Before that Gibb's OU teams won a couple of bowl games and were bowl ineligible his first couple of years. Overall, his record at OU was 44-23-2 (.638) but he went 1-5 against both Texas and Nebraska. Definitely a step back from Switzer's era but not a trainwreck. IMO, that started after Gibbs left Norman. In my view, what hurt Gary Gibbs the most was following an OU legend in Barry Switzer. That's probably one of the hardest things to do as a HC. Nebraska fired Frank Solich (58-19 .753) who followed Nebraska legend Tom Osborne after six seasons as well.

[Guest]

It will be rare for any coach to truly build a program today. Especailly for "name" schools - they have already been built. As you stated, "once you become a name school and get a reputation it makes it a lot easier". I'd also add along with reputation: fan base, facilities, money, etc. All those provide a foundation to rebuild upon. It appears the term "rebuild" is now being used to describe Nick Saban at LSU and Alabama and that is more accurate. However, I'd argue that the only difference between Saban and other coaches is that the programs they inherited went through a "down" cycle before they took over while the others did not. Obviously, that made their job tougher but the infrastructure for winning was already in existence before they arrived.

Take Oklahoma for example; Bud Wilkinson (1947-63) built that program. Barry Switzer (1973-88) didn't rebuild OU football but only because Chuck Fairbanks (1967-72) was fairly successful in Norman before moving on to the NFL. But Bob Stoops (1999 - present) does get credit for rebuilding OU football because the previous two coaches were not successful. So is Bob Stoops more revered than Barry Switzer because Stoops took over after a 5-6 season while Switzer took over after an 11-1 season?

If one doesn't want to give credit to Les Miles at LSU because he didn't "rebuild" that program; give him credit for turning/"rebuilding" Oklahoma St. into a winning program.

I think Bob Stoops is underrated. There are two points I think are forgotten when considering Stoops and, the first, you mention. He turned around a football program that had fallen apart after Schnellenberger and Blake. I agree that Gibbs deserves more credit for what he did with a team on probation, following a legend, and successfully cleaning up the program that Switzer left. People forget that Stoops inherited that 5-6 OU team, took them to a bowl -- after OU had missed going to a bowl game the previous 4 years -- and won a BCS national championship in his second year.

The second part is his success in polishing assistant coaches to be ready to move to a head coaching position. I think one of the reason OU has some losses has less to do with Stoops and, instead, has to do with the fact that he keeps losing his assistants to head coaching positions -- and most of these have been very successful as head coaches. That lack of continuity can be very hard on a college program.

In his 13 years at Oklahoma, he has lost Bo Pellini, Mike Stoops, Mark Mangino, Mike Leach, Chuck Long, Kevin Sumlin, and Kevin Wilson to head coaching jobs. Basically, he has replaced his offensive coordinator every other year, and his defensive coordinator every four years. And all of them other than Chuck Long, who failed at SDSU, and Kevin Wilson, who just finished his first year at Indiana, have seen success as head coaches.

[Paperback Writer]

I think Bob Stoops is underrated. There are two points I think are forgotten when considering Stoops and, the first, you mention. He turned around a football program that had fallen apart after Schnellenberger and Blake. I agree that Gibbs deserves more credit for what he did with a team on probation, following a legend, and successfully cleaning up the program that Switzer left. People forget that Stoops inherited that 5-6 OU team, took them to a bowl -- after OU had missed going to a bowl game the previous 4 years -- and won a BCS national championship in his second year.

The second part is his success in polishing assistant coaches to be ready to move to a head coaching position. I think one of the reason OU has some losses has less to do with Stoops and, instead, has to do with the fact that he keeps losing his assistants to head coaching positions -- and most of these have been very successful as head coaches. That lack of continuity can be very hard on a college program.

In his 13 years at Oklahoma, he has lost Bo Pellini, Mike Stoops, Mark Mangino, Mike Leach, Chuck Long, Kevin Sumlin, and Kevin Wilson to head coaching jobs. Basically, he has replaced his offensive coordinator every other year, and his defensive coordinator every four years. And all of them other than Chuck Long, who failed at SDSU, and Kevin Wilson, who just finished his first year at Indiana, have seen success as head coaches.

I agree about Bob Stoops and losing AC. But that's a risk when hiring quality assistants. Yes, it hurts continuity but good ACs has a lot to do with Bob Stoops and OU's success. When one hires quality people, they often move on and up the coaching ladder. That's better than having poor ACs on staff. And I don't really give Stoops credit for Bo Pelini although they share the same circle of friends because they are both from Youngstown, OH and from the same HS. Pelini was assistant DC for only one year at OU before moving onto LSU for 3 years and then getting the Nebraska HC job.

Besides, I think the real credit for developing HC belongs to Bill Snyder. It's the same tree but I see more of Snyder's hand in it then B. Stoops.