Penn State pedophilia

[Moliere]

[Solon]

PSU got over 208 million in donations last year.. 2nd highest in history..


http://espn.go.com/college-football/...school-history


WOW.. I am not sure what to think of this...

That an idiot is born every second...and they love to donate to programs with a history of supporting/covering up pedophilia...

While I'm sure some of that money went to football, most of it didn't. PSU has the largest student-run charity fundraiser in the country (called THON; it goes to fight pediatric cancer). People also donated to student scholarship funds, research holdings, etc.

What to think of it is that many people associated with Penn State are just as pissed off as everyone else that the high-and-mighty football program has sullied the reputation of everyone else.

Since it's obvious that the football program was insular, full of yes-men, and completely cut off from the rest of the campus, can we please focus our blame on those that deserve it? The majority of PSU's faculty, students, and staff, and alumni are just as outraged as the rest of the country. They want to see Curley, Spanier, and Schultz in prison. They want to see the victims healed and compensated. They want the total house-cleaning to continue. I know there were idiot students who protested when Joe was fired; I know there are idiots who think it's all a conspiracy. But they would appear to have been a vocal and idiotic minority. I'd like to think they're going to shut up now that the report has been released, and that report is damning indeed.

The fact that the NCAA is mulling action seems ridiculously arrogant and beside the point. As I told ER Coug last night, it's like Ted Bundy's bishop mulling church discipline against him. I don't really care at this point what the NCAA decides. Inter-collegiate athletics just don't matter in this. The NCAA's sense of self-importance is astounding.

[Moliere]

Since it's obvious that the football program was insular, full of yes-men, and completely cut off from the rest of the campus, can we please focus our blame on those that deserve it? The majority of PSU's faculty, students, and staff, and alumni are just as outraged as the rest of the country. They want to see Curley, Spanier, and Schultz in prison. They want to see the victims healed and compensated. They want the total house-cleaning to continue. I know there were idiot students who protested when Joe was fired; I know there are idiots who think it's all a conspiracy. But they would appear to have been a vocal and idiotic minority. I'd like to think they're going to shut up now that the report has been released, and that report is damning indeed.

Do they want the football program shut down, at least for a couple years? If not, then they are not as outraged as the rest of the country.

[YOhio]

The question I ask myself is this: Would the safety of my janitor gig even cross my mind when reporting a horrifying incident of child rape to the police? But I could LOSE MY JOB! Oh NOES!!!

Ha. I had similar thoughts. Cowards.

[YOhio]

The fact that the NCAA is mulling action seems ridiculously arrogant and beside the point. As I told ER Coug last night, it's like Ted Bundy's bishop mulling church discipline against him. I don't really care at this point what the NCAA decides. Inter-collegiate athletics just don't matter in this. The NCAA's sense of self-importance is astounding.

I'm having a hard time with this paragraph. While I agree that inter-collegiate athletics don't matter relative to institutional enabling of child rape, I do think it's important to keep in mind that the institution behaved this way solely to support a football program. This football program is under the jurisdiction of the NCAA and by all appearances it wants to continue to participate in NCAA sanctioned events. After such egregious behavior, I think it's fully appropriate for the NCAA to determine whether or not Penn State should be allowed to do so.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Ha. I had similar thoughts. Cowards.

This is similar to the ginger assistant coach, I would hope that no job I would ever have would be so important that it would keep me from helping a child.

[TripletDaddy]

Since it's obvious that the football program was insular, full of yes-men, and completely cut off from the rest of the campus, can we please focus our blame on those that deserve it?

What a ridiculous statement.

Just yesterday the BOT at PSU were asked about the Paterno statue and the reply was that the statue was a sensitive issue, that Paterno's legacy should be viewed in light of the good AND bad that he accomplished, and that they didn't want to rush into any emotional decisions.

Emotional decisions. About a metal statue.

In the same response, they excoriate Spanier because he lied and breached trust. What an odd double standard by the BOT.

lol. Sure, the football program was insular and completely cut off from the rest of campus.

http://pennstate.scout.com/2/1201957.html

In the meantime, school officials were not nearly as evenhanded in their comments about Spanier, the former school president who was also fired in the wake of the Sandusky scandal. They accused him of lying about the seriousness of the allegations against Sandusky, the former PSU assistant coach who last month was convicted on 45 counts of child sex abuse.

In January of 2011, Spanier was interviewed by the grand jury investigating Sandusky. When the Harrisburg Patriot-News broke the news of the investigation the following month, board members asked Spanier about it. They now contend he was not truthful in explaining the matter.

“I think we had a huge degree of trust in Graham Spanier,” Frazier said. “When we asked him what was going on, we were assured there were no particular issues the board needed to worry about. … In retrospect, we wished we would have pressed someone who we had complete trust in.”

[SeattleUte]

What a ridiculous statement.

Just yesterday the BOT at PSU were asked about the Paterno statue and the reply was that the statue was a sensitive issue, that Paterno's legacy should be viewed in light of the good AND bad that he accomplished, and that they didn't want to rush into any emotional decisions.

Emotional decisions. About a metal statue.

In the same response, they excoriate Spanier because he lied and breached trust. What an odd double standard by the BOT.

lol. Sure, the football program was insular and completely cut off from the rest of campus.

http://pennstate.scout.com/2/1201957.html

What a great opportunity for a fundraiser. Get one wack at Joe with a hammer for $10,000. Help cave his face in, break his collar bones, smash his glasses, wack out his eyeballs, knock his nose off, break his legs.

[TripletDaddy]

What a great opportunity for a fundraiser. Get one wack at Joe with a hammer for $10,000. Help cave his face in, break his collar bones, smash his glasses, wack out his eyeballs, knock his nose off, break his legs.

I doubt many people would participate. The football program is very insular there and the vast majority of people on campus don't really pay much attention or care what is going on over in the athletic department. They could take it or leave it.

[SeattleUte]

I doubt many people would participate. The football program is very insular there and the vast majority of people on campus don't really pay much attention or care what is going on over in the athletic department. They could take it or leave it.

But these types of fundraising games are irresistible. When I was a kid my ward in Sandy once did it with an old car and a sledge hammer. (It was cheaper than $10,000.) It was a blast.

[Coach McGuirk]

I doubt many people would participate. The football program is very insular there and the vast majority of people on campus don't really pay much attention or care what is going on over in the athletic department. They could take it or leave it.

I agree, they should focus on the statues of football yes men. Curley, Spanier, and Schultz.

[SeattleUte]

While I'm sure some of that money went to football, most of it didn't. PSU has the largest student-run charity fundraiser in the country (called THON; it goes to fight pediatric cancer). People also donated to student scholarship funds, research holdings, etc.

What to think of it is that many people associated with Penn State are just as pissed off as everyone else that the high-and-mighty football program has sullied the reputation of everyone else.

Since it's obvious that the football program was insular, full of yes-men, and completely cut off from the rest of the campus, can we please focus our blame on those that deserve it? The majority of PSU's faculty, students, and staff, and alumni are just as outraged as the rest of the country. They want to see Curley, Spanier, and Schultz in prison. They want to see the victims healed and compensated. They want the total house-cleaning to continue. I know there were idiot students who protested when Joe was fired; I know there are idiots who think it's all a conspiracy. But they would appear to have been a vocal and idiotic minority. I'd like to think they're going to shut up now that the report has been released, and that report is damning indeed.

The fact that the NCAA is mulling action seems ridiculously arrogant and beside the point. As I told ER Coug last night, it's like Ted Bundy's bishop mulling church discipline against him. I don't really care at this point what the NCAA decides. Inter-collegiate athletics just don't matter in this. The NCAA's sense of self-importance is astounding.

This post, most of which with I agree, supports killing the football program and taking down the JoPa statute. (We won't accept the grief and horror on the part of the Penn State academic commuinity as genuine until these important symbolic measures are taken; believe me, I'd be crying from the rooftops for my school to do likewise were they guilty of similar crimes.)

They'll find something to do with Beaver Stadium to make up for those lost 7 days of game day. Here in Seattle we've been putting Key Arena to somewhat good use with women's games, mechanical dinosaur and Star Wars kiddies shows and the like, rock concerts, etc. All in all, I think overall the school will be financially better off cutting off the cancerous football program tumor.

The good side of this tragedy is it relegates college football to its proper diminuitive place in the university environment.

[byu71]

The good side of this tragedy is it relegates college football to its proper diminuitive place in the university environment.

I don't think so. Maybe at Penn State, but not nationally. To think this tragedy is college football specific is ridiculous.

Now, if you were just speaking for yourself, then ignore my reply.

[Moliere]

This post, most of which with I agree, supports killing the football program and taking down the JoPa statute. (We won't accept the grief and horror on the part of the Penn State academic commuinity as genuine until these important symbolic measures are taken; believe me, I'd be crying from the rooftops for my school to do likewise were they guilty of similar crimes.)

We all know PSU will never do any such thing. It's like the plantation owners of the South who made their fortunes on the backs of slaves only to keep their fortunes even after the slaves were freed. (meant to be a metaphor and not a direct comparison)

[SeattleUte]

I don't think so. Maybe at Penn State, but not nationally. To think this tragedy is college football specific is ridiculous.

Now, if you were just speaking for yourself, then ignore my reply.

You don't get the problem here, right now, do you. Sandusky has been tried and imprisoned for his crimes. Today's outrage is not about the abuse per se, but about the cover up. The reason this is so outrageous is that the university president and its athletic director yielded to the football coach's desire to protect the football program's reputation by covering up Sandusky's heinous crimes. It's likely that Penn State itself could be indicted (yes, corporations get charged with crimes all the time) because of this cover up.

Likewise, with the Catholic Church there were two distinct types of wrongdoing. 1) The abuse of the kids by priests. 2) The cover up of the abuse by bishops and cardinals and even the current pope. The abuse of the kids was bad enough, but I venture that more Catholics have left their church over the second set of crimes than the first. These are in a sense worse, because they enabled more abuse, and were committed in a calculating way, not even arguably because of psychic diseased, but to protect the isnstitution to which they owed their fame and fortunes.

However, here there is a more deranged element to the second leg of wrongdoing--the president wasn't protecting the university, he was protecting the football program and putting at risk the university's reputation as to the truly important things it does. That's really sick, and not just if you ask me. Note that if the president had reported the abuse in 1998 as required by law, yes, the football program would have embarrassed (though probably not fatally so), and the university would have looked great. The university and Spaniel would have looked like the DA and Freeh do now--like they were weilding the flaming sword of truth, doing the right thing.

I didn't have time to give you this tutorial and now I'm pissed. As usual you are totally fucking clueless.