The Heaps of Goodbyes Thread

[Shaka]

Heaps sucks. If you cant beat out Riley Nelson, you shouldnt be allowed to start for any team in college football. And yes, I understand worse QB's are starting right now (namely Utah's), but they shouldn't be. All this talk by Bronco and Doman about him being an NFL QB, child please. We better hope to hell that Taysom Hill is good or BYU football is going to wallow in mediocrity for a long time. I have zero hope for next year, and could give two shats less about the rest of this year. This sucks.

Heaps is young and lacks football maturity. He played to quickly in a complex system and is now paying the price. Playing backup for part of this year and for a redshirt year could be the perfect antidote for his problems. He's hardly a lost cause.

Riley is never going to be all-america but he isn't nearly as bad as you make him out to be.

[Goatnapper'96]

Just for fun, here are Heaps' worst 4 games:
AF last year: 2/6 15 0 1
TCU last year: 14/30 91 0 2
UCF this year: 16/34 133 0 1
USU this year: 11/25 107 0 0
Total QB rating: 67.4

For those scoring at home, that's significantly worse than Riley's rating in the 4 games that Hsaru chose. In case you're wondering, Heaps had -26 yards rushing, compared to Riley's 185 in his worst 4.

And for a bit more fun, here are Heaps' stats in the very 4 games Hsaru chose to demonstrate how bad Riley is:

AF last year: 2/6 15 0 1
FSU last year: 15/31 114 1 0
Utah this year: 27/50 305 1 1 (his best of the bunch, but still only 107.8 QB rating)
TCU this year: DNP
Total QB rating: 95.5, a full 6.2 points better than Riley against the very same defenses. Rushing yards in those games, in which Riley had 185: -90.

So, in Riley's worst 4 games at QB ever, he still played better than Heaps.

I see Pelado beat me to the second part. but still, damn.

But Hsaru's wants you to know that Riley Nelson isn't that good!

[jay santos]

Just for fun, here are Heaps' worst 4 games:
AF last year: 2/6 15 0 1
TCU last year: 14/30 91 0 2
UCF this year: 16/34 133 0 1
USU this year: 11/25 107 0 0
Total QB rating: 67.4

For those scoring at home, that's significantly worse than Riley's rating in the 4 games that Hsaru chose. In case you're wondering, Heaps had -26 yards rushing, compared to Riley's 185 in his worst 4.

And for a bit more fun, here are Heaps' stats in the very 4 games Hsaru chose to demonstrate how bad Riley is:

AF last year: 2/6 15 0 1
FSU last year: 15/31 114 1 0
Utah this year: 27/50 305 1 1 (his best of the bunch, but still only 107.8 QB rating)
TCU this year: DNP
Total QB rating: 95.5, a full 6.2 points better than Riley against the very same defenses. Rushing yards in those games, in which Riley had 185: -90.

So, in Riley's worst 4 games at QB ever, he still played better than Heaps.

I see Pelado beat me to the second part. but still, damn.

lol at Hsaru getting the shiz kicked out of him with stats but refusing to go down.

[Tone Loc]

I still think everyone is missing the big picture here. Who cares about Heaps vs. Nelson. I care about BYU's qb versus whoever they play.

Neither option is acceptable for a BYU team. I am sorry, but neither one of these guys is going to to do anything for BYU worth arguing about. So while we debate about team nelson vs. team heaps to see which one will win 7-8 games for us next year, we are stuck with a team that only a mother could love. And that is what I find unacceptable.

Oh well, if I lower my expectations I think I can sleep walk through the next few years. Sounds fun.

[Goatnapper'96]

Heaps is young and lacks football maturity. He played to quickly in a complex system and is now paying the price. Playing backup for part of this year and for a redshirt year could be the perfect antidote for his problems. He's hardly a lost cause.

Riley is never going to be all-america but he isn't nearly as bad as you make him out to be.

Riley is an above average qb. I think he could lead BYU to be a legitimate top 25 caliber squad next year. However, I doubt he can lift BYU higher than that.

If Jake Heaps plays to his potential, I think he could lead BYU higher if the defense can play as well as it has most of this year and what I think it will do next year.

I am in the camp that thinks BYU should stick with Riley for next year, barring injury, and give Jake another shot after Riley is gone.

[Goatnapper'96]

I still think everyone is missing the big picture here. Who cares about Heaps vs. Nelson. I care about BYU's qb versus whoever they play.

Neither option is acceptable for a BYU team. I am sorry, but neither one of these guys is going to to do anything for BYU worth arguing about. So while we debate about team nelson vs. team heaps to see which one will win 7-8 games for us next year, we are stuck with a team that only a mother could love. And that is what I find unacceptable.

Oh well, if I lower my expectations I think I can sleep walk through the next few years. Sounds fun.

I think you should lower your expectations. That much is likely true.

Saying that I also think there is a great deal of middle ground on these kids abilities that you are ignoring and it makes you appear a bit of one might call a colloquial equivalent of an anal orofice. Saying that, I am sure your mother and Christ the Savior still see your infinite worth.

Your divine destiny set aside, I think Riley is much better and BYU can do much better than you seem to indicate or you are really an insufferable asshat that will never be pleased. Now, to be clear Riley is going to need help in the way of big ass fat OL not getting their big ass in the way of punt snaps or a punter who can catch snaps. Point being Riley is not good enough to dig BYU out of holes against good teams. But if BYU plays well defensively and on special teams, Riley is good enough to move the ball against good defenses. It will include a lot of broken plays and even designed qb draws. He is always more likely to get hurt, but he is clearly an above average FBS qb. I don't think he can lead BYU to a BCS bowl, but he is good enough to beat the teams on BYU's schedule next year if BYU performs in the other facets of the game. Now, I for one, am less than convinced BYU will be able to do that but that is not Riley's fault.

[Hsaru]

I've never said Heaps played better than Riley this year, but I do think there isn't the massive gap everyone seems to think there is. I think if Heaps had been playing this whole time people would be talking about how much better he is playing and everyone would be excited about how he'd play next year(against very weak competition obviously).

I think Heaps should have been given a shot over the bye week to try and show what he can do in simulated game environments and try and earn the job after a very poor performance for Riley against TCU. I find it frustrating that he may transfer before we ever get to see if he can improve this year.

If Heaps does transfer, all the Riley supporters will say after every game that Riley struggles in atleast Heaps didn't play or we would have lost by 60 with 14 sacks! Must be easy when you know he can't prove you wrong for 2 years, and if he does improve elsewhere, everyone will just say too bad he sucked dick when he was here, noone will look at the coaching.

[cougjunkie]

Riley is an average to below-average QB. But an above-average athlete.

[Jeff Lebowski]

You are really an annoying dickhead about this. Riley Nelson is likely an above average D1 qb at best. Stop and reread what I just said before you start telling everyone that Riley is not great. Now stop again and reread a 3rd time. The point is nobody thinks Riley Nelson is that great. Stop and reread the previous sentence a couple times before you start hyperventilating to let us know that Riley is not that great - the world can see that he is not. However, he is playing much better than Jake Heaps did this year. He gives BYU the better chance to win games. Why did Riley move the ball better and score more points against USU in half the time? All your weak ass responses about rookie oc, whyohio's whining, system never run before at BYU blahblahblah, and Utah Dan's vagina hurting are crap. Stop it as you are convincing nobody. You really just look silly and stupid continuing to beat this drum about the two. In one game against the same competition with the same OC and with whyOhio whining like a bitch, Riley Nelson did significantly better. In the game against TCU Riley looked better than Jake Heaps has at any point this year for a full game. Now before you begin hyperventilating to tell the world how poorly Riley played against TCU stop and read the following sentence no less than 7 times: Riley was not that good against TCU and his game was still better than any game Jake Heaps played this year. The issue is who is the better qb for BYU this season.

Now if your issue is that there are reasons why Jake Heaps is not reaching his potential. Have at it. Make arguments that the coaches suck or some anti-mormon at iggy's spiked his edgy Arnold Palmer way back when. However, stop trying to argue that Jake Heaps was as impressive playing qb as Riley Nelson was this year by pointing out that Riley isn't that great. It gets tiring and annoying.

[Goatnapper'96]

I've never said Heaps played better than Riley this year, but I do think there isn't the massive gap everyone seems to think there is. I think if Heaps had been playing this whole time people would be talking about how much better he is playing and everyone would be excited about how he'd play next year(against very weak competition obviously).

I think Heaps should have been given a shot over the bye week to try and show what he can do in simulated game environments and try and earn the job after a very poor performance for Riley against TCU. I find it frustrating that he may transfer before we ever get to see if he can improve this year.

If Heaps does transfer, all the Riley supporters will say after every game that Riley struggles in atleast Heaps didn't play or we would have lost by 60 with 14 sacks! Must be easy when you know he can't prove you wrong for 2 years, and if he does improve elsewhere, everyone will just say too bad he sucked dick when he was here, noone will look at the coaching.

Stop being such a stringpulling victim and ignoring what people are saying. Look around and you will find a great deal of folks unhappy with the coaching staff. Jake's piss poor performance, in contrast to how last year finished, is one of those issues many are raising. It might be possible that many of us are less than enamored with the coaching staff but still believe Riley Nelson has clearly been the better qb. I will say that from my perspective, given Riley's limitations as a qb, I have been rather pleased with the offensive staff with how the offense has improved under Riley and I actually come away believing Jake's issues were more on Jake than anyone else.

[Tone Loc]

I think you should lower your expectations. That much is likely true.

Saying that I also think there is a great deal of middle ground on these kids abilities that you are ignoring and it makes you appear a bit of one might call a colloquial equivalent of an anal orofice. Saying that, I am sure your mother and Christ the Savior still see your infinite worth.

Your divine destiny set aside, I think Riley is much better and BYU can do much better than you seem to indicate or you are really an insufferable asshat that will never be pleased. Now, to be clear Riley is going to need help in the way of big ass fat OL not getting their big ass in the way of punt snaps or a punter who can catch snaps. Point being Riley is not good enough to dig BYU out of holes against good teams. But if BYU plays well defensively and on special teams, Riley is good enough to move the ball against good defenses. It will include a lot of broken plays and even designed qb draws. He is always more likely to get hurt, but he is clearly an above average FBS qb. I don't think he can lead BYU to a BCS bowl, but he is good enough to beat the teams on BYU's schedule next year if BYU performs in the other facets of the game. Now, I for one, am less than convinced BYU will be able to do that but that is not Riley's fault.

Thanks for the input half pint. I appreciate your belief in Riley, its cute. Saying he is an above average FBS qb is so vague that I will give it to you. Above average means being better than 60 of the 119 teams, you win. Riley hasnt shown that he is good enough to get himself out of his own holes, let alone the rest of the teams. The only reason he has a good chance to put up a decent record is because of the terrible schedule BYU plays. There isnt a team that will sniff the top 25 on there.

But, you have convinced me to be on the look out for our top 25 ranking. I have new belief and hope in the 2012 team. And I didn't even need the help of Jesus, just a little help from the board elf bearing good news and glad tidings.

[Goatnapper'96]

Thanks for the input half pint. I appreciate your belief in Riley, its cute. Saying he is an above average FBS qb is so vague that I will give it to you. Above average means being better than 60 of the 119 teams, you win. Riley hasnt shown that he is good enough to get himself out of his own holes, let alone the rest of the teams. The only reason he has a good chance to put up a decent record is because of the terrible schedule BYU plays. There isnt a team that will sniff the top 25 on there.

But, you have convinced me to be on the look out for our top 25 ranking. I have new belief and hope in the 2012 team. And I didn't even need the help of Jesus, just a little help from the board elf bearing good news and glad tidings.

I would put him as top 25-33%. I think he is in the top 40 somewhere. He didn't play poorly against TCU. The team moved the ball pretty well.

[cougjunkie]

I would put him as top 25-33%. I think he is in the top 40 somewhere. He didn't play poorly against TCU. The team moved the ball pretty well.

Not to jump in here but moving the ball between the 20s does not win football games. 2 red zone turnovers tells me Riley played poorly.

[Tone Loc]

I would put him as top 25-33%. I think he is in the top 40 somewhere. He didn't play poorly against TCU. The team moved the ball pretty well.

Hsaru might have his head in the sand, but it looks like someone else does too.

[Hsaru]

I would put him as top 25-33%. I think he is in the top 40 somewhere. He didn't play poorly against TCU. The team moved the ball pretty well.

We had the same yardage as Wyoming did with a true freshman QB, and 70 of our yards came in garbage time when TCU backed off their coverage.

Wyoming's freshman QB against TCU 17/26 210 2 tds 0 picks, 158 qb rating oh and 68 yards rushing

For a good comparison of how much worse this TCU D is than last year
Robert Griffin v TCU 2010: 16/28 164 yards 1 td 0 picks 116 qb rating, team had 263 total yards and 10 points

Robert Griffin v TCU 2011: 21/27 359 yards 5 tds 0 picks 250 qb rating, 38 yards rushing, team has 560 total yards and 50 points.

People comparing Riley to how Max played in 2008-2009 are laughable, he would have shredded this TCU D.

We had 13 offensive points before garbage time against TCU, lets stop pretending that was a heroic offensive performance.