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  • jay santos
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 13652

    #1051
    Can someone explain to me how we're going to score any points offensively this game? The good news is that it appears Utes don't believe they'll score any points either. It's kind of bizarre how this game has generally speaking turned into a defensive battle over the past 15 years or so.

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    • Shaka
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2008
      • 10462

      #1052
      Originally posted by jay santos View Post
      Can someone explain to me how we're going to score any points offensively this game?
      Three words: Riley - Nelson - Wildcat



      MG, I'm doing your job for you.

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      • YOhio
        Hipster Mode
        • Nov 2008
        • 26165

        #1053
        Originally posted by jay santos View Post
        Can someone explain to me how we're going to score any points offensively this game? The good news is that it appears Utes don't believe they'll score any points either. It's kind of bizarre how this game has generally speaking turned into a defensive battle over the past 15 years or so.
        Breakout game by everyone on the BYU offense. Mark it down!

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        • Jarid in Cedar
          CS Institutional Memory
          • Jun 2009
          • 13234

          #1054
          Originally posted by YOhio View Post
          Breakout game by everyone on the BYU offense. Mark it down!
          Bookmarked!!!!!!
          "The first thing I learned upon becoming a head coach after fifteen years as an assistant was the enormous difference between making a suggestion and making a decision."

          "They talk about the economy this year. Hey, my hairline is in recession, my waistline is in inflation. Altogether, I'm in a depression."

          "I like to bike. I could beat Lance Armstrong, only because he couldn't pass me if he was behind me."

          -Rick Majerus

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          • pellegrino
            miserere me
            • Jan 2009
            • 12100

            #1055
            Originally posted by YOhio View Post
            Breakout game by everyone on the BYU offense. Mark it down!
            I agree, we'll score in the 20s for sure! At least 21. Mark it down!
            Dio perdona tante cose per un’opera di misericordia
            God forgives many things for an act of mercy
            Alessandro Manzoni

            Knock it off. This board has enough problems without a dose of middle-age lechery.

            pelagius

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            • jay santos
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 13652

              #1056
              Something I've been thinking about is how bizarre it is to have Whittingham and Chow together.

              Speaking a little egocentrically, BYU has been the cutting edge of developing the passing game and Utah has been the cutting edge of defenses devoted to stopping the passing game (ie beating BYU). BYU starting with the basic Lavell west coast offense and tinkering with spread, hurry up, Leach wide splits, etc. Whittingham adjusting with each move, tinkering with everything from bringing the house to dropping 10. Starting from the early 90's this chess game was all about Chow vs Whittingham. Even though Chow is long gone and Whitt is the head coach, I still largely think of this game as Chow's school vs Whittingam's school.

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              • DU Ute
                RIP CUF
                • Dec 2008
                • 7393

                #1057
                Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                Something I've been thinking about is how bizarre it is to have Whittingham and Chow together.

                Speaking a little egocentrically, BYU has been the cutting edge of developing the passing game and Utah has been the cutting edge of defenses devoted to stopping the passing game (ie beating BYU). BYU starting with the basic Lavell west coast offense and tinkering with spread, hurry up, Leach wide splits, etc. Whittingham adjusting with each move, tinkering with everything from bringing the house to dropping 10. Starting from the early 90's this chess game was all about Chow vs Whittingham. Even though Chow is long gone and Whitt is the head coach, I still largely think of this game as Chow's school vs Whittingam's school.
                You all are about to be Chowhitted!
                "In conclusion, let me give a shout-out to dirty sex. What a great thing it is" - Northwestcoug
                "And you people wonder why you've had extermination orders issued against you." - landpoke
                "Can't . . . let . . . foolish statements . . . by . . . BYU fans . . . go . . . unanswered . . . ." - LA Ute

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                • LA Ute
                  Receiver of Memory
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 19512

                  #1058
                  Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                  Something I've been thinking about is how bizarre it is to have Whittingham and Chow together.

                  Speaking a little egocentrically, BYU has been the cutting edge of developing the passing game and Utah has been the cutting edge of defenses devoted to stopping the passing game (ie beating BYU). BYU starting with the basic Lavell west coast offense and tinkering with spread, hurry up, Leach wide splits, etc. Whittingham adjusting with each move, tinkering with everything from bringing the house to dropping 10. Starting from the early 90's this chess game was all about Chow vs Whittingham. Even though Chow is long gone and Whitt is the head coach, I still largely think of this game as Chow's school vs Whittingam's school.
                  Since Meyer left it seems like Kyle has been searching for an offensive philosophy (and an OC). He must have been pretty happy to get Chow, warts and all. I hadn't thought of the history the two have as opponents in an ongoing chess match. Interesting.
                  “There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
                  ― W.H. Auden


                  "God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
                  -- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons


                  "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
                  --Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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                  • Eddie
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 8098

                    #1059
                    It is those games that you expect to be defensive battles that turn into offensive shows and vice versa. While there is every reason to believe that the defenses will rule the day, it wouldn't surprise me if the offenses have a little bit of a break out.

                    It should be interesting to see what happens.

                    Chow's offense is known to be a little bit complicated. So I wonder how much to expect from Wynn this year (particularly at the beginning of the year) as Utah gets into it.

                    I'm still trying to figure out what Doman's offensive philosophy is. He talked about being unpredictable and keeping a defense on its heels. I don't know that I've seen much unpredictability as yet. I know they've played a couple of decent defenses and some good competition that would have me wanting to slow the game down. But I'm hoping that is just this year and just now at the beginning of the season. I'm hoping that at some point he is able to develop his offense into something that is all he advertised it to be.

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                    • drkennethnoisewater
                      Junior Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 15

                      #1060
                      Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                      Three words: Riley - Nelson - Wildcat



                      MG, I'm doing your job for you.
                      I don't know that BYU has a wild cat package. I do know that they have a two-play package for Nelson (Utes look away), in this order.

                      First play - a random 1st and 10. Nelson in the shotgun, speed option.

                      Second play - a random 2nd and 7ish. Nelson in the shotgun, zone read.

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                      • Eddie
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 8098

                        #1061
                        Originally posted by Flattop View Post
                        It's also very cool when New Zealand and American troops do it together in Afghanistan to build Esprit de Corp.
                        You're making a little too much sense here. And even worse, you're undercutting the prevailing Ute argument that doing the Haka is all about calling out the enemy and has nothing to do with building unity and brotherhood among teammates.

                        Maybe you should edit your post to say that they only do it in front of a Taliban stronghold right before attacking as a means to call them out and challenge them to war.

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                        • Shaka
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 10462

                          #1062
                          Originally posted by drkennethnoisewater View Post
                          I don't know that BYU has a wild cat package. I do know that they have a two-play package for Nelson (Utes look away), in this order.

                          First play - a random 1st and 10. Nelson in the shotgun, speed option.

                          Second play - a random 2nd and 7ish. Nelson in the shotgun, zone read.
                          They've got a third play. Nelson drops back to pass then runs the draw.

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                          • drkennethnoisewater
                            Junior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 15

                            #1063
                            Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                            They've got a third play. Nelson drops back to pass then runs the draw.
                            Ahhh, yes. We haven't seen that yet this year, though. Maybe that's the unpredictability I keep hearing about.

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                            • Goatnapper'96
                              Senior Member
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 10931

                              #1064
                              Originally posted by drkennethnoisewater View Post
                              Ahhh, yes. We haven't seen that yet this year, though. Maybe that's the unpredictability I keep hearing about.
                              Unpredictability requires balance. Balance does not require balance but it requires the capacity to move the ball through the air or on the ground. One can throw the ball all day, but to be unpredictable your opponent must respect your ability to run the ball.

                              BYU can't run the ball as well as they would like. As such they are losing their ability to be umpredictable. I think Doman is fine but next time I would recommend him to have the self-discipline to not stroke the fans flames of expectations by massaging their inner thighs telling them that their criticisms of Robert Anae were correct by promising to be more "unpredictable." There are times where one can see that Bronco's disdain of fans and his reminding them of how little they know has merit.
                              Do Your Damnedest In An Ostentatious Manner All The Time!
                              -General George S. Patton

                              I'm choosing to mostly ignore your fatuity here and instead overwhelm you with so much data that you'll maybe, just maybe, realize that you have reams to read on this subject before you can contribute meaningfully to any conversation on this topic.
                              -DOCTOR Wuap

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                              • jay santos
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 13652

                                #1065
                                Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
                                Unpredictability requires balance. Balance does not require balance but it requires the capacity to move the ball through the air or on the ground. One can throw the ball all day, but to be unpredictable your opponent must respect your ability to run the ball.

                                BYU can't run the ball as well as they would like. As such they are losing their ability to be umpredictable. I think Doman is fine but next time I would recommend him to have the self-discipline to not stroke the fans flames of expectations by massaging their inner thighs telling them that their criticisms of Robert Anae were correct by promising to be more "unpredictable." There are times where one can see that Bronco's disdain of fans and his reminding them of how little they know has merit.
                                Bronco's the one that fired Anae and hired Doman. It seems he was getting his inner thigh massaged as much as anyone.

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