The Utah 2011 Football Thread

[LA Ute]

I actually think he needs to take a break and have Surfah do work for him more often. Surfah's efforts on Saturday are much better than junkie's current efforts. I mean really, arguing that BYU's SOS is better than Utah's? I expect better from junkie. Good trolling at least needs some small amount of truth to it.

Correct, Surfah is very skilled at finding soft spots and poking them with a sharp instrument. cj's approach is more along the lines of using a sledgehammer.

[cougjunkie]

Utah SOS: 67
BYU SOS: 87

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/current_congrove_rankings.html

Utah SOS: 33
BYU SOS: 71

http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team

Or

Utah SOS: 76
BYU SOS: 113

http://www.gberatings.com/sos/

Yes, Utah is in the weaker part of their schedule, but four weeks ago there was some concern on whether Utah would win more than one or two games in the Pac-12 this year.

No one is arguing overall strength of schedule we saw what Utah did when they played the tougher part of their schedule they started 0-4 in conference. Similar to BYU the past two years they are beating up on bad teams. Congrats.

[LA Ute]

Yes, Utah is in the weaker part of their schedule, but four weeks ago there was some concern on whether fervent, giddy hope among many here that Utah would win more than one or two games in the Pac-12 this year.

FIFY.

[cougjunkie]

I actually think he needs to take a break and have Surfah do work for him more often. Surfah's efforts on Saturday are much better than junkie's current efforts. I mean really, arguing that BYU's SOS is better than Utah's? I expect better from junkie. Good trolling at least needs some small amount of truth to it.

Was I arguing about overall strength of schedule or just the last 4 games? You know the ones where Utah actually started winning.

[Flattop]

No one is arguing overall strength of schedule we saw what Utah did when they played the tougher part of their schedule they started 0-4 in conference. Similar to BYU the past two years they are beating up on bad teams. Congrats.

No argument, the schedule lightened up. Utah is still doing it without a D1 quarterback.

[Jarid in Cedar]

No one is arguing overall strength of schedule we saw what Utah did when they played the tougher part of their schedule they started 0-4 in conference. Similar to BYU the past two years they are beating up on bad teams. Congrats.

I agree, we certainly have not beaten anyone of consequence this year.

[MartyFunkhouser]

No one is arguing overall strength of schedule we saw what Utah did when they played the tougher part of their schedule they started 0-4 in conference. Similar to BYU the past two years they are beating up on bad teams. Congrats.

Alright, let's look at just the last 4 games like you want to cherry pick.

Should we use Sagarin ratings or do you propose another computer rating system.

Washington St: 67.41
UCLA: 73.37
Arizona: 69.88
Oregon St: 66.16
Average: 69.21

New Mexico St: 58.45
Idaho: 56.50
TCU: 83.66
Idaho St: 36.68
Average: 58.74

Ranking the teams by Sagarin
TCU
UCLA
Arizona
Washington St
Oregon St
New Mexico St
Idaho
Idaho St

BYU played the toughest team, but every single team that Utah has played is better than the other 3 teams that BYU played.

[LA Ute]

I agree, we certainly have not beaten anyone of consequence this year.

[Surfah]

I agree, we certainly have not beaten anyone of consequence this year.

I see what you did there. Too bad it is true.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I see what you did there. Too bad it is true.

Sometimes you need to just point out the obvious

[Hot Lunch]

Don't go with the common opponent thing because UCLA was waxed at home by Texas which only beat BYU by 1 point at home.

Oregon State lost at home to BYU and Sac State yet has Pac-12 wins over Arizona, Washington State and Washington (a team that crushed Utah).

Washington State lost at SDSU a team that lost at home to Wyoming. Wyoming lost 63-19 to that same Utah state team.

So Washington State is worse than SDSU, Wyoming and Utah State.

You can manipulate these opponents many different ways to point out who is better.

Of the games you pointed out in non-conference opponents for these teams, Oregon St. has a bad loss and Colorado has a bad loss against Hawaii.

What you didn't do was point out the out of conference records of the WAC, which after looking at a couple of teams is horrible. It looks like the best win was Louisiana Tech's, who is the top dawg in the conference right now, win over Ole Miss. There are so many ways you can spin this thing. And I will stand by my statement that comparing the records of BYU's last four opponents to Utah's is apples to oranges.

[Tone Loc]

The Pac 12 (minus the 3 good teams) = middle tier of the MWC.

Average sagarin ranking of Pac 12 teams ASU, UA, OSU, CAL, UCLA, CU, Utah, UW, WSU= 60.2

Middle tier of MWC = 67

Perfume on a turd. But its a great conference to be in since most of the teams are very average. You might be able to catch OSU, UCLA, CU, AU, and WSU in a row somehow and string together some wins.

[TripletDaddy]

I'm taking the high road in all of this and wishing my Ute friends good luck this weekend with the Rumble in the Rockies.

[cougjunkie]

Alright, let's look at just the last 4 games like you want to cherry pick.

Should we use Sagarin ratings or do you propose another computer rating system.

Washington St: 67.41
UCLA: 73.37
Arizona: 69.88
Oregon St: 66.16
Average: 69.21

New Mexico St: 58.45
Idaho: 56.50
TCU: 83.66
Idaho St: 36.68
Average: 58.74

Ranking the teams by Sagarin
TCU
UCLA
Arizona
Washington St
Oregon St
New Mexico St
Idaho
Idaho St

BYU played the toughest team, but every single team that Utah has played is better than the other 3 teams that BYU played.

First of all the last 4 games is based on the last 4 games of the season for each team. The reason I "cherry picked" that stat is because that has been the hot topic in the local media over the past month about how BYU has played nothing but patsies and Utah has been playing Pac-12 schools.

BYUs last 4 games of the season are:

TCU
Idaho
New Mexico State
Hawaii

Utahs last 4 games of the season are:

UCLA
Arizona
Washington State
Colorado

You can say that I am trolling all you want but none of those stats were cherry picked this just seems to be a big topic right now in the local media when in reality both teams have played shitty schedules with BYUs actually being the less shitty of the two.

So go ahead and cherry pick some random computer ratings system, it does not change the fact that TCU is clearly the best out of all of these teams, and Colorado lost to one of BYUs remaining opponents. To use HLs logic Washignton state is worse than Utah State as well. So clearly BYU has the tougher schedule. A win over Wash. State in overtime is nice but that is a team that lost to Oregon State who lost to Sac. State and BYU at home. So not sure I would get to excited about that.

[cougjunkie]

The Pac 12 (minus the 3 good teams) = middle tier of the MWC.

Average sagarin ranking of Pac 12 teams ASU, UA, OSU, CAL, UCLA, CU, Utah, UW, WSU= 60.2

Middle tier of MWC = 67

Perfume on a turd. But its a great conference to be in since most of the teams are very average. You might be able to catch OSU, UCLA, CU, AU, and WSU in a row somehow and string together some wins.

Whoops and that throws the Ute fans defense right out the window.