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  • #31
    Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
    Just so you know Bronco said it was his decision to play for the field goal at the end, not Anae. So you may want to call for his head.

    Also the two plays up the middle were definitely curious, however go back and watch and Utah is in their nickel package so he may have thought it was a good time to pick up a few yards especially with 3 timeouts and 4 1/2 minutes left. That way you let Heaps settle in and you do not have your freshman QB flinging it around when they know he has to throw and he ends up getting you a quick 3 and out.
    I don't know whose decision it was, but I thought it was a poor one. I did like the moxie and playing to win as BYU really had nothing to lose in that game. Saying that, Mendenhall frequently claims things were his decisions or that he OK'd them or that his coordinators have a vote of confidence when later events indicate that he as not as on board as his comments claimed.

    I think Mendenhall has some questions about Anae, but IMO if Anae wants to stay in Provo I cannot see Mendenhall forcing him out.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by byu71 View Post
      I too have no real opinion on Anae. I am not sure Doman would be any better. I am not even sure Detmer would be better. Those who might be sure bets to be better aren't going to be coming to BYU, better gigs too many other places.

      I don't know if Anae leaving would hurt Jake though. I have heard from some pretty good sources Heaps gets along a lot better with Doman than Anae. Not that he and Anae don't get along, just he gets along better with Doman.
      I'm not going to re-hash the whole "who's calling the plays" stuff that has people digging in their heels on one side or another. I'm just going to say that if the credible rumors about Doman/Reynolds' involvement are true there's good reason to believe Doman/Reynolds would be better.

      I'd say if Anae leaves BYU in the offseason chances are the rumors are true and we have reason for optimism in a new OC.
      If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
        Just so you know Bronco said it was his decision to play for the field goal at the end, not Anae. So you may want to call for his head.

        Also the two plays up the middle were definitely curious, however go back and watch and Utah is in their nickel package so he may have thought it was a good time to pick up a few yards especially with 3 timeouts and 4 1/2 minutes left. That way you let Heaps settle in and you do not have your freshman QB flinging it around when they know he has to throw and he ends up getting you a quick 3 and out.
        Also go back and watch all the 6 yard, 8 yard, 7 yard runs all game long that kept the heat off Heaps, kept us winning the field position game, and put us in position to win the game at the end of the game. I'm sure you and the rest of the fire Anae gang would have preferred a game plan of Heaps throwing long bombs all game long. Or did you only not like the runs that got stopped? Did you not like any of the pass calls that didn't work?

        Anae's worst decision of the game was an overly aggressive one not a conservative one: the pass on 4th and inches.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
          I don't know whose decision it was, but I thought it was a poor one. I did like the moxie and playing to win as BYU really had nothing to lose in that game. Saying that, Mendenhall frequently claims things were his decisions or that he OK'd them or that his coordinators have a vote of confidence when later events indicate that he as not as on board as his comments claimed.

          I think Mendenhall has some questions about Anae, but IMO if Anae wants to stay in Provo I cannot see Mendenhall forcing him out.
          I actually agreed with the call to be honest. Payne had been money all game. You were looking at a 37 yard fg before you ran your third down play. If Heaps is sacked on 3rd down you are looking at a 50 yard fg. So you go conservative the problem was you do not expect Kariya to lose 5 yards. Regardless if they kick a 19 yard fg Burton blocks it with how fast he was in there.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by jay santos View Post
            Also go back and watch all the 6 yard, 8 yard, 7 yard runs all game long that kept the heat off Heaps, kept us winning the field position game, and put us in position to win the game at the end of the game. I'm sure you and the rest of the fire Anae gang would have preferred a game plan of Heaps throwing long bombs all game long. Or did you only not like the runs that got stopped? Did you not like any of the pass calls that didn't work?

            Anae's worst decision of the game was an overly aggressive one not a conservative one: the pass on 4th and inches.
            Easy Jay I am not in the fire Anae camp at all. I have been singing his praises for the past 2 days. I thought Anae called a great game.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by SoCalCoug View Post
              I'm not going to re-hash the whole "who's calling the plays" stuff that has people digging in their heels on one side or another. I'm just going to say that if the credible rumors about Doman/Reynolds' involvement are true there's good reason to believe Doman/Reynolds would be better.

              I'd say if Anae leaves BYU in the offseason chances are the rumors are true and we have reason for optimism in a new OC.
              I really believe Bronco got a message this year. Whether it was heat he took early on when we looked bad, the going Independence or whatever else, I think football and winning moved up the priority list a few notches.

              I heard his post game and he sounded like a guy who thought winning football games was high on his list of things to get done.

              If he thinks someone he can get will do better than Anae, I think Anae is gone. I have a feeling the admin. has a new apppreciation for winning also.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by SoCalCoug View Post
                I'm not going to re-hash the whole "who's calling the plays" stuff that has people digging in their heels on one side or another. I'm just going to say that if the credible rumors about Doman/Reynolds' involvement are true there's good reason to believe Doman/Reynolds would be better.

                I'd say if Anae leaves BYU in the offseason chances are the rumors are true and we have reason for optimism in a new OC.
                I get confused. Wasn't the Doman/Reynolds offense the smash mouth that disrespected Heaps and Anae's was the spread that let Heaps wing it with abandon? Or was it just the Doman/Reynolds offense was anything that worked (applied retroactively) and Anae's was anything that didn't?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                  Just so you know Bronco said it was his decision to play for the field goal at the end, not Anae. So you may want to call for his head.

                  Also the two plays up the middle were definitely curious, however go back and watch and Utah is in their nickel package so he may have thought it was a good time to pick up a few yards especially with 3 timeouts and 4 1/2 minutes left. That way you let Heaps settle in and you do not have your freshman QB flinging it around when they know he has to throw and he ends up getting you a quick 3 and out.
                  I thought they only had 1 left at the time. Utah had all of there but I am pretty sure BYU only had one left.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                    Easy Jay I am not in the fire Anae camp at all. I have been singing his praises for the past 2 days. I thought Anae called a great game.
                    I was adding to your argument addressing Socal. SCG, I don't think you're an idiot but I just don't see where you're coming from on this.

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                    • #40
                      Jake is sick to the bone. This kid is going to kick so much ass next year with our schedule and returning players surrounding him, we're gonna get some hype. Not BSU hype, mind you, but we'll end up in the top 15 with a good buzz going into 2012 to do some special things.
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                      • #41
                        I've been all over Jake Heaps' hog since I watched him in the Elite 11. Yes that sounds gay. And no I don't care. Heaps is giving me a UteStar like fever. I too think he will be one of the all-time greats by the end of his career at BYU.

                        I was anxious all week leading up to the game yesterday. And 95% of that was on how well Heaps would perform. He blew me away. The only mistake I think he made was the underthrown INT. Watching that replay it looks like he tried to put some touch on the ball and drop the ball in there instead of just throwing it like he normally does. But he made great decisions otherwise all night. He took what the defense gave him. He made heads up plays. He showed some mobility and a nice cut/juke on that run. He stepped up in the pocket several times avoiding pressure particularly the shovel pass play. The play that blew me away though was where he was avoiding pressure, rolling out to his right and then throws a rope off his back foot across the field to the other sideline I believe to MJ. That was a throw that will have NFL scouts drooling. To see the field in that situation is one thing, but to make that throw is a another.

                        I too am excited for the future. In fact I find myself trying to temper expectations. If Reynolds stays we'll have our entire OL back. We have all of our backs. And we only lose Luke the Baptist. I think our offense next year could be a lot of fun to watch. And because of this I don't think Anae will go, or should. I have been hyper critical of Anae but I think yesterday's gameplan on offense, aside from a few headscratchers (two running plays to open final drive and insisting on that counter/delay out of the shotgun), was brilliant. We ate clock. We managed the field and dominated position all day. I know Papa Reynolds wasn't a fan of the call on 4th and 1 but I liked it. It was executed perfectly until the ball clanged off of Hoffman's hands. I don't even mind the conservative play calling on the last set of downs of the game either. Though in my mind I too thought we had Utah reeling and could have found the endzone. But with a freshman QB who had played pretty flawlessly up until then and a kicker who has proven pretty solid within his range I understand trying to not lose. I think maybe if Jake were a year or two older they continue to let him try and make plays.

                        One thing I really wish Anae would add to his playbook are some plays where we move the pocket. We're a straight dropback passing team. That is one thing I miss about Chow and thought that he was great at.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                          Just so you know Bronco said it was his decision to play for the field goal at the end, not Anae. So you may want to call for his head.
                          It's this right here why you haven't ever seen me call for Anae's head. It's too hard to know if it's coming from Bronco or if it isn't. The fact is, Bronco has consistently been a coach who plays not to lose, so in that situation, I almost always give Anae the benefit of the doubt.
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                          • #43
                            Heaps sucks. BYU should cut him, and let him land at a program that REALLY needs a mediocre quarterback.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                              Just so you know Bronco said it was his decision to play for the field goal at the end, not Anae. So you may want to call for his head.
                              Then Bronco needs an OC who is confident enough in his ability to tell Bronco to stick to the defense. Or Bronco needs an OC in whom he has enough confidence to believe he can pick up 5 or 10 yards in three plays.

                              Originally posted by cougjunkie View Post
                              Also the two plays up the middle were definitely curious, however go back and watch and Utah is in their nickel package so he may have thought it was a good time to pick up a few yards especially with 3 timeouts and 4 1/2 minutes left. That way you let Heaps settle in and you do not have your freshman QB flinging it around when they know he has to throw and he ends up getting you a quick 3 and out.
                              If that's the thinking that Utah would be caught off guard why were they ready for the play - twice - and why were they able to stuff it both times? Why can't BYU have an OC who, when he tries to catch the defense off guard with a run when they're expecting pass, actually catches them off guard? I think those plays illustrate Anae's limitations - he doesn't seem to have the ability to make that type of call in a critical situation. Why do Anae defenders have to do so much defending of calls he makes in every game at critical points?
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by jay santos View Post
                                Also go back and watch all the 6 yard, 8 yard, 7 yard runs all game long that kept the heat off Heaps, kept us winning the field position game, and put us in position to win the game at the end of the game. I'm sure you and the rest of the fire Anae gang would have preferred a game plan of Heaps throwing long bombs all game long. Or did you only not like the runs that got stopped? Did you not like any of the pass calls that didn't work?

                                Anae's worst decision of the game was an overly aggressive one not a conservative one: the pass on 4th and inches.
                                Here's what you're not understanding about this: Anae doesn't completely suck. In fact, he's a pretty good OC. But if we want to be more than a pretty good offensive team, particularly with the limitations BYU has, we've got to have an even better OC. Again, if the rumors are true, we've got someone on staff who has the potential to be better than Anae.

                                He mostly knows what he's doing. But why, over and over, do we see play calls at critical times that leave us scratching our heads? If you're fine with that, I guess you can live with mediocrity. A lot of people have been frustrated with Anae for several years. Not because he completely sucks but because BYU can do better.
                                If we disagree on something, it's because you're wrong.

                                "Somebody needs to kill my trial attorney." — Last words of George Harris, executed in Missouri on Sept. 13, 2000.

                                "Nothing is too good to be true, nothing is too good to last, nothing is too wonderful to happen." - Florence Scoville Shinn

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