OFFICIAL BYU/TCU Thread

[Sizzle]

There is no chance whatsoever that BYU beats TCU or Utah this year. The only real question is can they hold either offense under 500 yards and stay within 30 points of either. I doubt it.

Please continue to speak in absolutes like that. It increases the likelihood that BYU beats either Utah or TCU.

[cougjunkie]

Please continue to speak in absolutes like that. It increases the likelihood that BYU beats either Utah or TCU.

Utah Dan and Woot love to speak in absolutes. Its an anonymous message board what are the repercussions if you are wrong?

[KillerDog]

While I realize BYU going down to TCU to get a win is like an ant crawling up an elephant's leg with intent to rape, I think anything is possible in college football. With that preface, how would you go about getting a win on Saturday if you are BYU's coaching staff? I know this board tends to avoid actual sport talk but I am curious to hear what people think.

Personally, I would do a couple of things to really throw of TCU. First, narrow the splits on 60% or more of the downs. BYU has used narrow splits out of the power I for about 4 or 5 years and has used the wide splits out of the shotgun. I think it makes sense against a team like TCU to narrow the splits against them.

The next thing I would do is run some Maryland I and Power I formations. I would put Hague, Kariya, and DiLuigi as my three starting backs and Mahina and Muehlmann as my TEs. TCU will not expect this type of formation or this type of obvious refusal to throw the ball. Running out of these formations, with pace, on the first drive, will thow them badly off and line up big beef against small speed.

While doing this, I would rotate in liberally with my backs getting Mendenhall and Quezada some reps and getting our other TEs some reps from the power line up. I would particularly use Wilson as a fullback in place of Mendenhall and Hague because he could give us a lot of size out of the backfield but he runs well and is athletic. Of course he would never be a ball carrier. This will set up the next move. Once TCU is keyed on our obvious sell out to protect our QB, we send a smaller TE (we have a few) and DiLuigi out of the tight formation. This will put them in space and soften up the run defense.

I know this won't work as an every down thing but it isn't a hard adjustment from our I formation stuff and could really highlight our advantages while getting Heaps into the game. Also, this would give us a TOP advantage and rest our defense even if we don't score. I really think we would be well served to run a lot and to do it with a lot of backs. I also think it would be smart to get our tight-ends on the field blocking like crazy against the smaller TCU defenders.

[Blueintheface]

While I realize BYU going down to TCU to get a win is like an ant crawling up an elephant's leg with intent to rape, I think anything is possible in college football. With that preface, how would you go about getting a win on Saturday if you are BYU's coaching staff? I know this board tends to avoid actual sport talk but I am curious to hear what people think.

Personally, I would do a couple of things to really throw of TCU. First, narrow the splits on 60% or more of the downs. BYU has used narrow splits out of the power I for about 4 or 5 years and has used the wide splits out of the shotgun. I think it makes sense against a team like TCU to narrow the splits against them.

The next thing I would do is run some Maryland I and Power I formations. I would put Hague, Kariya, and DiLuigi as my three starting backs and Mahina and Muehlmann as my TEs. TCU will not expect this type of formation or this type of obvious refusal to throw the ball. Running out of these formations, with pace, on the first drive, will thow them badly off and line up big beef against small speed.

While doing this, I would rotate in liberally with my backs getting Mendenhall and Quezada some reps and getting our other TEs some reps from the power line up. I would particularly use Wilson as a fullback in place of Mendenhall and Hague because he could give us a lot of size out of the backfield but he runs well and is athletic. Of course he would never be a ball carrier. This will set up the next move. Once TCU is keyed on our obvious sell out to protect our QB, we send a smaller TE (we have a few) and DiLuigi out of the tight formation. This will put them in space and soften up the run defense.

I know this won't work as an every down thing but it isn't a hard adjustment from our I formation stuff and could really highlight our advantages while getting Heaps into the game. Also, this would give us a TOP advantage and rest our defense even if we don't score. I really think we would be well served to run a lot and to do it with a lot of backs. I also think it would be smart to get our tight-ends on the field blocking like crazy against the smaller TCU defenders.

Way to kill the thread, K-dog. While CUF nerds discuss the merits of a 4 inch penis you've gone and spoken to strategy and sports. Well done.

[KillerDog]

Way to kill the thread, K-dog. While CUF nerds discuss the merits of a 4 inch penis you've gone and spoken to strategy and sports. Well done.

We have some legit sports guys on this board. It's too bad none of them want to talk specifically about sports. Everyone knows Catblue is an idiot about sports but the rest of you are better than this.

[creekster]

We have some legit sports guys on this board. It's too bad none of them want to talk specifically about sports. Everyone knows Catblue is an idiot about sports but the rest of you are better than this.

I am no sports guy but I have a question:

Are you saying we should use a power running game to take advantage of our size and strength against TCU's smaller DL and LBs or is there something inherent about the formations you described that would create a particular mismatch against TCU's defensive alignment or personnel?

[KillerDog]

I am no sports guy but I have a question:

Are you saying we should use a power running game to take advantage of our size and strength against TCU's smaller DL and LBs or is there something inherent about the formations you described that would create a particular mismatch against TCU's defensive alignment or personnel?

The formations are power running formations with three running backs and two tight ends. If we use such a formation with narrow splits, we are negating their defensive speed and focusing on controlling the clock and being physical. It is also outside our character. In short, the former.

[Blueintheface]

The formations are power running formations with three running backs and two tight ends. If we use such a formation with narrow splits, we are negating their defensive speed and focusing on controlling the clock and being physical. It is also outside our character. In short, the former.

IMO, the Air Force game is a completely different game if the O-line played like they played on Saturday and if the defense was coached and played with any semblance of passion and assignment responsibility.

[KillerDog]

IMO, the Air Force game is a completely different game if the O-line played like they played on Saturday and if the defense was coached and played with any semblance of passion and assignment responsibility.

Could have been. Traditionally we have out-muscled AFA but the offense was trying to out-quick them instead of lean on them. I didn't like it. The D played like it had gotten castrated that week.

[TheBYUGuy]

This is why BYU has a chance this week. GP hasn't been watching film on BYU, or at least hasn't been paying attention:

Every week you can see [Heaps] playing with more confidence. And he's got good players around him. When you have a running back like they do, and then you also have wide receivers like they do, and then you can tell the young tight ends are just the next guys in line. They catch the ball and are big targets over the middle. They present a lot of problems, and so we got a lot of work to do.

[SloanHater]

Mount up, biatches!

BYU is back on track TCU doesn't even know what is about to hit them this Saturday.

I'm going to the game this week. Anyone else? nikuman? Nugent? Eddie Jones?

Speaking of TCU, don't you owe me a steak?

[USUC]

This is why BYU has a chance this week. GP hasn't been watching film on BYU, or at least hasn't been paying attention:

I think this is coach speak and nothing more. Its not good form for a coach to say they suck. Patterson has them up for this game, I have no doubts about it. If the running game can be successful I don't see them scoring 50+ points but unless Heaps all of a sudden turns into Peyton Manning and the receivers have gloves made of flypaper, we don't stand a chance of winning.

[TheBYUGuy]

Speaking of TCU, don't you owe me a steak?

I owned up to it. Why, are you in town?

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

I am going into the forest tomorrow and going to pray about this game, then I will post who I feel should win. If anyone else has questions they want answered PM me.

[Uncle Ted]

Ogletree and Coach Mendenhall talking about TCU (and the Rangers).

I am pretty excited to see Ogletree playing ball in Texas again.

On the Apo:

Also last night, Mendenhall presented some clarification on the Ross Apo medical redshirt issue.

Mendenhall says after suffering an open finger dislocation in week two, the freshman WR is "still weeks out from being able to return to full health, and so at this point, it look like he will qualify (for a medical redshirt)." Medical hardship waivers are only granted in cases of a season-ending, incapacitating injury occurring within the first four games of the football season.

Mendenhall says Apo's particular injury should meet the criteria because "we're still weeks away, and what the doctors and trainers are saying is, it's unlikely that he'll return."

"As long as everything is documented, and there's week-by-week and month-by-month reports saying 'he has been tested, he's not able to to return to play,' and documentation substantiates the decision, then it's very clear."