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  • Surfah
    Where's Wallace?
    • Nov 2008
    • 33726

    #346
    Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    I disagree. You don't have to be able to run, but you do have to be able to scramble and be patient (Kellen Moore, Ben Rothlisberger are prime examples of guys who can't run, but can scramble and are patient). Heaps problem is that he seems to want to avoid contact at all costs and that leads to happy feet and getting rid of the ball too early.
    I wouldn't call what Kellen Moore does as scrambling. He just has incredible pocket presence and glides, slides, and steps up to avoid pressure. But 99% of the time that's all within the pocket.
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    • smokymountainrain
      Impressive Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 22593

      #347
      Originally posted by Surfah View Post
      I wouldn't call what Kellen Moore does as scrambling. He just has incredible pocket presence and glides, slides, and steps up to avoid pressure. But 99% of the time that's all within the pocket.
      Agreed. I used the term scrambling because I couldn't think of a better word, but what you described is what I'm referring to. Bottom line is a QB has to be willing to move around, be calm, confident in his movements and have patience.
      I'm like LeBron James.
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      • Surfah
        Where's Wallace?
        • Nov 2008
        • 33726

        #348
        Originally posted by smokymountainrain View Post
        Agreed. I used the term scrambling because I couldn't think of a better word, but what you described is what I'm referring to. Bottom line is a QB has to be willing to move around, be calm, confident in his movements and have patience.
        What Moore does is incredible. He might move within a 5' radius but he usually avoids all pressure without happy feet. Occasionally he throws off a back foot, but right now he's one of my favorite players to watch. He's like Peyton Manning. His control and command of the offense is fun to watch. He's an OC on the field.
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        • Flystripper
          Degenerate Gambler
          • Nov 2008
          • 14089

          #349
          Originally posted by Surfah View Post
          What Moore does is incredible. He might move within a 5' radius but he usually avoids all pressure without happy feet. Occasionally he throws off a back foot, but right now he's one of my favorite players to watch. He's like Peyton Manning. His control and command of the offense is fun to watch. He's an OC on the field.
          It is also what allows Manning and Brady to keep plays alive in the NFL. You just don't usually see college QBs with that much confidence sliding around in the pocket.
          Dyslexics are teople poo...

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          • Blueintheface
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 15382

            #350
            Call it a hunch but if BYU wins on Friday with Riley at QB, Jake transfers before the bowl game. I don't think he and his family could withstand the mounting embarrassment.
            "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

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            • UtahJazzFan88
              Jazz | Utes | Raiders
              • Oct 2011
              • 1678

              #351
              Originally posted by Surfah View Post
              What Moore does is incredible. He might move within a 5' radius but he usually avoids all pressure without happy feet. Occasionally he throws off a back foot, but right now he's one of my favorite players to watch. He's like Peyton Manning. His control and command of the offense is fun to watch. He's an OC on the field.
              Which is exactly why I think an NFL team should take a gamble on him in the 2-3rd round (projected 3-6th), I know he's not that tall, and doesn't fit the NFL mold athletically like Andrew Luck, but he's the 75% the reason why Boise State is so good. I'd gamble on him if I was a GM.

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              • jay santos
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 13652

                #352
                Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                Call it a hunch but if BYU wins on Friday with Riley at QB, Jake transfers before the bowl game. I don't think he and his family could withstand the mounting embarrassment.
                Having absolutely no inside information, this is always what I'd guess. That gets him at another school in time for spring ball.

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                • Color Me Badd Fan
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 12519

                  #353
                  Originally posted by SeattleUte View Post
                  Utah's qb situation is a catastrophe, needless to way. It could be the answer to Heaps' problems, especially with Chow there;also, there'd be the bonus of getting into the Pac 12, and not having to move far. But I have my doubts whether he'd be the answer to Utah's problems.
                  I would love for Jake to get another chance with Utah. I hope you guys land him.
                  Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                  • Jarid in Cedar
                    CS Institutional Memory
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 13234

                    #354
                    Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                    I would love for Jake to get another chance with Utah. I hope you guys land him.
                    Payback for Samuelson?
                    Last edited by Jarid in Cedar; 10-24-2011, 08:39 PM.
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                    • Color Me Badd Fan
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 12519

                      #355
                      Originally posted by The Notorious J.I.C. View Post
                      Payback for Samuelson?
                      It's the best we can do, unless Chow is counted as a BYU product.
                      Last edited by Color Me Badd Fan; 10-24-2011, 10:23 PM.
                      Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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                      • lambdacoug
                        Junior Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 3981

                        #356
                        Originally posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
                        I would love for Jake to get another chance with Utah. I hope you guys land him.
                        I'd love to play the UofU with Jake Heaps under center for the Utes. One sack and he's spooked the rest of the game and the rest of the season...
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                        • KillerDog
                          a.k.a. K-dog
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 4196

                          #357
                          Based on the play calling improvements, I think we have to revisit whether Doman can devise/call an offense that works for a QB that isn't a Doman clone. The early season (read preUSU) play calling and second half play calling against ISU lead me to believe some of Heaps's issues are Doman's issues.

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                          • LA Ute
                            Receiver of Memory
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 19512

                            #358
                            Originally posted by The Notorious J.I.C. View Post
                            Payback for Samuelson?
                            We already tried a QB who doesn't like to get hit. Turns out he had good reason to feel that way, but still....
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                            • Blueintheface
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 15382

                              #359
                              Originally posted by KillerDog View Post
                              Based on the play calling improvements, I think we have to revisit whether Doman can devise/call an offense that works for a QB that isn't a Doman clone. The early season (read preUSU) play calling and second half play calling against ISU lead me to believe some of Heaps's issues are Doman's issues.
                              Doman isn't blameless but as was already pointed out, on any given pass play there are multiple receivers and Jake for whatever reason is locking in on one, often the one across the field and not down it. That's not to say Doman hasn't called fewer seam routes or screens when Jake is in but Jake is obviously just not seeing the field well at all.
                              "Either evolution or intelligent design can account for the athlete, but neither can account for the sports fan." - Robert Brault

                              "Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors

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                              • Spicoli
                                Awesome! Totally awesome!
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 32

                                #360
                                If Heaps transfers doesn't he have to sit out a year anyways? He could redshirt at BYU and do that. Keep his chica caliente happy, and still play with his best buds KVN and Apo.
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