Van Noy says he could possibly leave

[Hsaru]

Aldon Smith, LB, has 57 combined tackles (NFL leader has 130), tied for 124th in the league. But he leads the league with 19.5 sacks.

Tied with him in combined tackles is Von Miller, who has 16.5 sacks.

Half of the top 10 in sacks in the NFL are listed as LB's, and their total combined tackle totals are: 57, 56, 44, 52, and 51.

Aldon Smith is 6th on his team in total tackles.

Von Miller is 4th on his team in total tackles.

Cameron Wake is 8th on his team in total tackles.

DeMarcus Ware is 5th on his team in total tackles.

Justin Houston is 3rd on his team in total tackles.

Are any of them considered "part-time" players who can't go every down?

Kyle Van Noy is tied for 11th in the nation with 11.5 sacks (only 2.0 behind the leader). And he is 13th in tackles for loss. So what if he's 7th on the team in total tackles? CMBF is absolutely right. His role is much like the NFL pass rushing LB's, and that's what his role will be in the NFL. He's not going to be limited or downgraded because doesn't have more tackles.

Game over.

[Indy Coug]

And 13 of Van Noy's 18.5 career sacks have come against D-1AA teams or D-1A teams with at least 9 losses. With the notable exception of the Tulsa bowl game, Van Noy has largely disappeared in the big games against the better teams BYU has faced over the last two years. You can look at the stats or you can look the film, I really don't care which.

Van Noy has NFL athleticism, but IMO he needs another year of development in college to make himself a more complete and more consistent player if he wants to maximize his draft value.

[Jarid in Cedar]

I think that excuse only goes so far. Kehl logged almost 100 tackles his senior season, despite the claims that teams ran away from him.

No dog in this fight, but Kehl benefited for Jorgensen playing on the opposite side(and visa versa, Jan's 08-09 stats suffered w/o someone of Kehl's stature on the team).

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Van Noy has NFL athleticism, but IMO he needs another year of development in college to make himself a more complete and more consistent player if he wants to maximize his draft value.

Hard to argue with saying a football player should return for another year of college, that always ends well. Matt Barkley agrees!

[All-American]

Hard to argue with saying a football player should return for another year of college, that always ends well. Matt Barkley agrees!

So does Manti Teo.

[Art Vandelay]

Just so I understand: KVN is worse than advertised, and Riley is better. Is that correct, Indy?

[SoCalCoug]

And 13 of Van Noy's 18.5 career sacks have come against D-1AA teams or D-1A teams with at least 9 losses.

I can do that, too:

Bjoern Werner of FSU is second in the nation in sacks with 13 this season. Of those, 4 came against Murray State, 1 against Savannah State, 1.5 against 5-7 Wake Forest, and 1.5 against 4-8 Maryland. He had none against Clemson, South Florida, NC State, Boston College, Duke, Virginia Tech, or Georgia Tech. Take away his 5 sacks against FCS Murray State and Savannah State, and he only had 8 sacks against FBS teams.

Even if you take away Van Noy's 1 sack against FCS Weber State, Van Noy still had 10.5 sacks against FBS teams, compared to Werner's 8.0 against FBS teams, it's clear Werner, considered a top 10 (if not top 5) draft pick this year, feasted even more against poor teams, and disappeared in more games (7) against FBS teams than Van Noy (5).

Somebody get these stats to the NFL quick, so they don't screw up their draft by taking a player who padded his stats against bad teams and disappeared against good ones!

[SoCalCoug]

One more:

Junior Anthony Barr of UCLA led the NCAA in sacks this season with 13.5. Yet only 6.5 of those (less than half) came against teams with winning records. 5 of his sacks came against teams with 9 or more losses.

He should stay for another year for a little more seasoning, and pick up his production against good teams.

[MarkGrace]

SoCal doin' work.

[SoCalCoug]

South Carolina's Jadeveon Clowney ended the season tied with Werner, with 13.0 sacks.

However, of those, 2.0 were against FCS UAB, 3.5 came against FBS teams with losing records, and 4.5 came against arch rival Clemson in the last game of the season, clearly an outlier that should be disregarded.

He had only 3 sacks against FBS, non-losing, non-rival teams.

In fact, until that last, rivalry game, he was completely out of the national sack picture - without the Clemson game, he would have had only 8.5 sacks, which would have tied him for 30th in the nation.

[Jarid in Cedar]

Clemson's Jadeveon Clowney ended the season tied with Werner, with 13.0 sacks.

However, of those, 2.0 were against FCS UAB, 3.5 came against FBS teams with losing records, and 4.5 came against arch rival Clemson in the last game of the season, clearly an outlier that should be disregarded.

He had only 3 sacks against FBS, non-losing, non-rival teams.

In fact, until that last, rivalry game, he was completely out of the national sack picture - without the Clemson game, he would have had only 8.5 sacks, which would have tied him for 30th in the nation.

Pssst...Clowney went to South Carolina. Carry on, your points are well noted.

[Indy Coug]

Just so I understand: KVN is worse than advertised, and Riley is better. Is that correct, Indy?

I'm not sure where you're seeing anything about Nelson. Maybe you should see an optometrist.

[SoCalCoug]

You know, looking through the list, Jarvis Jones seems to be the only legitimate sack threat in the top 10.

Chris Jones of Bowling Green had 12.5 sacks, but only 1 against a non-MAC, non-WAC FBS opponent (Virginia Tech).

Quanterus Smith (is he related to Quattro Quattro?) of Western Kentucky had 12.5 sacks this season. But his all came in only 4 games (he had no sacks in the remaining 8 games - extremely inconsistent.) 3 of them came against Arkansas State, 5 against FIU, and 1 against Florida Atlantic. Next.

Damontre Moore of Texas A & M had 12.5 sacks - only 6 against teams with winning records, though, and half of those against Alabama, who allowed a lot of sacks this season (23.0 on the season, 53rd in the nation in sacks allowed - the crappy BYU oline allowed 28).

Travis Johnson of San Jose State? Try again - of his 12.0 sacks, 5 came against UC Davis, and 3.5 more came against the likes of UTSA, Texas State (wasn't that the one Sinbad was an o-lineman for?), and Idaho. He was blanked by Stanford, Utah State, and BYU.

I'm tired of reading stats now. But you get the picture.

[SoCalCoug]

Pssst...Clowney went to South Carolina. Carry on, your points are well noted.

Oops. That's a horrible mistake to make, considering I grew up in Greenville County, South Carolina, and hated the local team, Clemson, favoring USC.

[Color Me Badd Fan]

Aldon Smith only had 17 sacks after only two years of starting. I think he probably got most of those vs Kansas and whatever Sun Belt teams they played at the beginning of the season.