Non-Conference Scheduling rumors

[pellegrino]

I'd like to see any and all of those rumors come true. I really do hope they're able to start a regular home and home series with Navy too.

[myboynoah]

I'd like to see any and all of those rumors come true. I really do hope they're able to start a regular home and home series with Navy too.

Yeah, why can't we get something like that done? Does Navy not want to travel that far?

[SCcoug]

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=6873320

Good post on future schedules shoganai. I would be thrilled if those are typical schedules.

[SoCalCoug]

Yeah, why can't we get something like that done? Does Navy not want to travel that far?

Sure, they'll go to the Persian Gulf, but not Provo?!?

[Joe Public]

Yeah, why can't we get something like that done? Does Navy not want to travel that far?

I think 2014 and 2016 are the first seasons that Navy even has room to schedule a game. Conversely, does BYU even have more than 5 or 6 games scheduled for 2012 or 2013? I wonder if a Navy series is something that's in the works but isn't as pressing as nearer-term scheduling.

[shoganai]

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...tml?id=6873320

Good post on future schedules shoganai. I would be thrilled if those are typical schedules.

I don't think BYU will have any problem at all getting mid-major conferences (even the MWC eventually) to give us a couple of October/November games a year with quality teams.

As long as they can build the relationships and prove the some value to the BCS conferences as the post illustrates, BYU can look forward to some pretty dang good schedules in coming years, IMO.

Really, I just hope the Pac-12 eventually comes around and lets us play Utah at the end of the season. Not necessarily to help our scheduling, but just because it's a game that doesn't naturally belong in September.

[TripletDaddy]

Thanks shoganai. Interesting post.

The one thing not addressed in the post is that right now, the really good teams are not giving us home and home as much as away and neutral, or away home away. Texas is an example of this. Heck, Notre dame is an example of this. So even though we may be able to schedule Ohio State for early in the season, currently we seem to be getting these deals with unfavorable terms. Hopefully that will change.

Im really excited about playing all these teams all over the country. It is going to make for some fun road trips. New places to visit every season.

[Babs]

Thanks shoganai. Interesting post.

The one thing not addressed in the post is that right now, the really good teams are not giving us home and home as much as away and neutral, or away home away.

serves you right.

[shoganai]

Thanks shoganai. Interesting post.

The one thing not addressed in the post is that right now, the really good teams are not giving us home and home as much as away and neutral, or away home away. Texas is an example of this. Heck, Notre dame is an example of this. So even though we may be able to schedule Ohio State for early in the season, currently we seem to be getting these deals with unfavorable terms. Hopefully that will change.

Im really excited about playing all these teams all over the country. It is going to make for some fun road trips. New places to visit every season.

I don't think this is a big of an issue as it's made out to be. Notre Dame will rarely even give a return trip to any mid-major unless its a service academy, so them agreeing to come to Provo even on a 2:1 is really a show of respect to BYU.

I'm sure you've heard this excuse before, but Texas really is a different scenario because the first game was negotiated separately. Texas is actually paying BYU to go to Austin next year, whereas the next two games are a straight home-home with no cash going either way. So, it does become a practical 2:1, but not without a big price tag paid to BYU.

And, other than those two, BYU doesn't have any other 2:1 series on the books, so let's see what happens.

I think one of the strategies Holmoe is using is selling the H/H/N format. Instead of a 2:1, BYU can get ESPN to guarantee a big payout if these teams play the third game at a neutral location. BYU doesn't mind going somewhere new to treat its scattered fan base, and these schools can make a big pay day and perhaps choose a place where they want to recruit. It can actually be more beneficial to some teams than a 2:1.

Keep your eyes open, but I'm expecting to get some H/H/N series with some pretty big names.

[LiveCoug]

I don't think this is a big of an issue as it's made out to be. Notre Dame will rarely even give a return trip to any mid-major unless its a service academy, so them agreeing to come to Provo even on a 2:1 is really a show of respect to BYU.

I'm sure you've heard this excuse before, but Texas really is a different scenario because the first game was negotiated separately. Texas is actually paying BYU to go to Austin next year, whereas the next two games are a straight home-home with no cash going either way. So, it does become a practical 2:1, but not without a big price tag paid to BYU.

And, other than those two, BYU doesn't have any other 2:1 series on the books, so let's see what happens.

I think one of the strategies Holmoe is using is selling the H/H/N format. Instead of a 2:1, BYU can get ESPN to guarantee a big payout if these teams play the third game at a neutral location. BYU doesn't mind going somewhere new to treat its scattered fan base, and these schools can make a big pay day and perhaps choose a place where they want to recruit. It can actually be more beneficial to some teams than a 2:1.

Keep your eyes open, but I'm expecting to get some H/H/N series with some pretty big names.

I think this is a silly statement. A sign of respect to BYU? ND has done 2 for 1's with mid major teams. See the series with Temple coming up. If anything, it is still a sign of disrespect as BYU is still seen as a little mid major team. Why does ND show such respect for Air Force? AFA can ALWAYS get a home and home with ND. Why? Just because they are military? That makes no sense...

[Maximus]

I think this is a silly statement. A sign of respect to BYU? ND has done 2 for 1's with mid major teams. See the series with Temple coming up. If anything, it is still a sign of disrespect as BYU is still seen as a little mid major team. Why does ND show such respect for Air Force? AFA can ALWAYS get a home and home with ND. Why? Just because they are military? That makes no sense...

when did AFA get a 1:1 with ND?

[SoCalCoug]

I think one of the strategies Holmoe is using is selling the H/H/N format. Instead of a 2:1, BYU can get ESPN to guarantee a big payout if these teams play the third game at a neutral location. BYU doesn't mind going somewhere new to treat its scattered fan base, and these schools can make a big pay day and perhaps choose a place where they want to recruit. It can actually be more beneficial to some teams than a 2:1.

This, I think, is what makes BYU really unique among non-Notre Dame schools. a H-H-N, particularly when BYU can get an extra game on the schedule every other year by playing in Hawaii, is actually a good thing for a team that has a widespread fan base.

[LiveCoug]

when did AFA get a 1:1 with ND?

They have in the past and they currently have one right now in the midst of BYU's 4 for 2....

http://www.fbschedules.com/2010/09/a...otball-series/

[shoganai]

I think this is a silly statement. A sign of respect to BYU? ND has done 2 for 1's with mid major teams. See the series with Temple coming up. If anything, it is still a sign of disrespect as BYU is still seen as a little mid major team. Why does ND show such respect for Air Force? AFA can ALWAYS get a home and home with ND. Why? Just because they are military? That makes no sense...

It is absolutely, positively, 100 percent, just because AFA is military. There is no other reason - period.

If you're not convinced, consider this one fact:

-From the 2000-2010 season, Notre Dame played a total of nine mid-majors, including the service academies.

-Notre Dame made return trips to only two of them - BYU and Air Force. Navy plays Notre Dame at a neutral site every other year.

Go look it up yourself. It has been more than a decade since Notre Dame agreed to play a mid-major school on the road other than BYU and the service academies. The only reason they're agreeing to go to Temple, is so they can fill up that 70,000 seat stadium in Philadelphia with all of their own fans - Temple certainly isn't going to bring that many (the Owls averaged just over 20,000 fans last season - worse than New Mexico).

In the 90s, Notre Dame made two one-off trips to Hawaii so they could get an extra game and send their traveling fans on a nice vacation (they didn't even invite Hawaii back to South Bend). I have looked at every Notre Dame schedule back to 1980, and other than the Hawaii trips, I can't find a single instance of Notre Dame visiting a mid-major besides the service academies and BYU. Please have a look yourself and tell me if I missed something.

If you don't think coming to Provo twice (they've already done it twice in the past) is a sign of respect and alliance with BYU, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[TripletDaddy]

Shoganai, you can say whatever you want to LiveCoug. You don't have to agree to disagree, you can tell him to stick it. He is not a moderator and has zero ability to do anything to you here.