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Originally posted by falafel View PostI think its clear that we wouldn't be going anywhere if Utah were still in the MWC. But I don't think the potential move to independence has anything to do with an attempt to one-up the Utesor even just keep from losing ground.Last edited by LA Ute; 08-20-2010, 02:17 PM.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Originally posted by RedSox View PostIf some time = the last 4.5 years, then I agree.
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1996
1998
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2001
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2007
2009
I'd give the following years to Utah:
1994
1995
1997
1999
2002
2003
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2008
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Originally posted by LA Ute View PostFixed it to something that I can agree with with a straight face.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Top Ute View PostI'd say from 1993 onward, the difference between the two teams is very fine in most years. I'd give the following years to BYU:
1993
1996
1998
2000
2001
2006
2007
2009
I'd give the following years to Utah:
1994
1995
1997
1999
2002
2003
2004
2005
2008Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by creekster View Postno idea. I dont even know if he realy is one or not, to be honest. TU, can you confimr?
Years ago, ex-Ute was convinced I was Dave Fox. So the Facer comparisons are good for a chuckle.
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Originally posted by falafel View PostSo.... you're backing off your previous superiority comments then?
The idea that BYU was heads-and-shoulders above Utah into the late 1990s and early 2000s is the kind of mindset that's gotten BYU brass into the pickle it's in today. It's just not there.
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Originally posted by KillerDog View PostA couple of thoughts:
(1) I think it is clear Utah leaving the MWC has precipitated much of BYU's current movement.
(2) I think it is equally clear that the reason is not what Utah fans, as a population, believe.
This is not about BYU feeling like they have to keep up. This is about the tie that kept BYU in the MWC being severed. BYU and Utah have voted as a block and worked as a team for years. Plans were in place for BYU and Utah to continue to work together as a team. Those plans were disrupted by Utah going to the Pac-10. Now that the tie to the MWC is severed, BYU has had to start looking for their own best interest without concern for anyone else and that has resulted in the current exploration of independence and the continued discussions with the Big XII. This isn't about BYU jealousy or desire to play catchup. Truthfully, an independent BYU will make more profit over the next 5 years than a Pac-12 Utah. This is about BYU no longer feeling tied to the MWC and its poor payouts. The MWC has been an anchor around the necks of BYU, Utah, and TCU because the bottom tier schools don't care to make any effort.
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Originally posted by Top Ute View PostThe words I used were "at or above." I also said most years you really have to split hairs (the outcome of the rivalry game is often the determining factor) to determine which program had the better year.
The idea that BYU was heads-and-shoulders above Utah into the late 1990s and early 2000s is the kind of mindset that's gotten BYU brass into the pickle it's in today. It's just not there.
Either way, if you think the attitude driving this whole independence mess is that BYU is head-and-shoulders above Utah, you should probably take another look around. Certain fans might hold on to that sentiment, but certainly BYU's administration/coaches do not.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by jay santos View PostAgree, except the incremental revenue Utah's planning on getting with the move to the Pac is in the $20M range and the incremental revenue BYU will get going indy is probably $5M with $10M at the extreme high range.
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Originally posted by EuropeanFootballMale View PostBYU won't make as much money as Utah, but if BYU could add $10 million a year then I'm not sure it matters that much. The difference between 1.5 and 10 is hugantuous. The difference between 10 and 20 isn't nearly as important. Once you reach a cetain $ threshold (enough money to have good facilities, travel well etc) I'm not sure the extra money does that much. Exposure does. Recruits want to play on TV against teams they know. If BYU can pull in 10-12 a year, shcedule some decent teams and play on ESPN they will be more than fine.Dyslexics are teople poo...
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Originally posted by falafel View PostSeems like a strange thing to gloat about - "we're as good as you, maybe even slightly better! So suck it!"
Either way, if you think the attitude driving this whole independence mess is that BYU is head-and-shoulders above Utah, you should probably take another look around. Certain fans might hold on to that sentiment, but certainly BYU's administration/coaches do not.
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Originally posted by falafel View PostThe point is that BYU's potential independence has nothing to do with trying to maintain its relevance by measuring against Utah.“There is a great deal of difference in believing something still, and believing it again.”
― W.H. Auden
"God made the angels to show His splendour - as He made animals for innocence and plants for their simplicity. But men and women He made to serve Him wittily, in the tangle of their minds."
-- Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye."
--Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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