Hypothetical BYU scheduling as an independent

[Moliere]

So what are the insurance premiums on a thing like that? All you need is a manure-spreader jack knifing on the highway....

I'm actually more interested in whether or not it has an exercise band ala the truck Stallone drove in Over the Top!

[beelzebabette]

I'll refer you again to:
http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showpo...8&postcount=26

Maryland / Wake / Notre Dame / AFA / SMU / Fresno State / Duke/ Army / Hawaii / La Tech / Utah / Utah State

Notre Dame is required to play Navy. How will BYU suddenly get on the schedule?

I'm sure Maryland & Wake can't wait to get a home & home with BYU.

AFA, SMU, Fresno State, Hawaii, La Tech, & Utah State--okay, throw out USU since they're already on our schedule & AFA because they would be if we stayed in the MWC--better than TCU, SDSU, UNLV, & New Mexico?

Duke?

Army (or Navy). Would be cool.

So we get an Army Navy game instead of Oklahoma/Texas/FSU.

Maybe I can get on this bandwagon.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

But you don't understand the power of this truck! It will take Texas years and years to buy a truck like this!

I bet Babs can help them get one in a year or two.

[Spicy McHaggis]

It sounds as if there will be plenty of empty space in the large and spacious downtown mall. Why not move the HD facilities up there?

[oxcoug]

Maryland / Wake / Notre Dame / AFA / SMU / Fresno State / Duke/ Army / Hawaii / La Tech / Utah / Utah State

Notre Dame is required to play Navy. How will BYU suddenly get on the schedule?

I'm sure Maryland & Wake can't wait to get a home & home with BYU.

AFA, SMU, Fresno State, Hawaii, La Tech, & Utah State--okay, throw out USU since they're already on our schedule & AFA because they would be if we stayed in the MWC--better than TCU, SDSU, UNLV, & New Mexico?

Duke?

Army (or Navy). Would be cool.

So we get an Army Navy game instead of Oklahoma/Texas/FSU.

Maybe I can get on this bandwagon.

Re getting on ND's schedule: ESPN. As of this AM of heard from three separate people who aren't getting their info from the same place that ESPN is working on a BYU-ND matchup for 2011 and/or 2012 as part of the deal.

[ERCougar]

Maryland / Wake / Notre Dame / AFA / SMU / Fresno State / Duke/ Army / Hawaii / La Tech / Utah / Utah State

Notre Dame is required to play Navy. How will BYU suddenly get on the schedule?

I'm sure Maryland & Wake can't wait to get a home & home with BYU.

AFA, SMU, Fresno State, Hawaii, La Tech, & Utah State--okay, throw out USU since they're already on our schedule & AFA because they would be if we stayed in the MWC--better than TCU, SDSU, UNLV, & New Mexico?

Duke?

Army (or Navy). Would be cool.

So we get an Army Navy game instead of Oklahoma/Texas/FSU.

Maybe I can get on this bandwagon.

You're not making any sense here.

ND is not required to play Navy. It's a little bit of an assumption that they would choose to play BYU, but they have in the past, and with BYU having no other scheduling obligations and pretty much willing to play ND whenever ND chooses (conf championship weekend?), it's not that big of a stretch.

Your example of a crappy exchange there is almost funny because outside of TCU, it's a pretty even switch. Plus, we get to travel to Hawaii every other year.

For every Duke (a BCS team, remember), there is a double barf with Wyoming.

And I'm not sure how Army Navy gets substituted for OU/Texas/FSU. Oh right, OU/Texas/FSU are playing us for our MWC affiliation.

[Blueintheface]

If you want to see what BYU's schedule will look like as an independent, just take a look at Army and Navy's schedule and you will have a pretty good idea of what to expect. It really isn't an improvement from what they currently have.

I really don't understand the assumption that ESPN will help BYU schedule 4 games a year.

Aren't you a Ute fan now anyway? What do you care?

[CJF]

Re getting on ND's schedule: ESPN. As of this AM of heard from three separate people who aren't getting their info from the same place that ESPN is working on a BYU-ND matchup for 2011 and/or 2012 as part of the deal.

Bull. At least the and part of the 2011 and/or 2012. There is no way ND is coming to Provo two straight years. All ND home games are broadcast by NBC, so for the "and" part to be true they would have to play in Provo both years. Not ever going to happen.

[pellegrino]

It sounds as if there will be plenty of empty space in the large and spacious downtown mall. Why not move the HD facilities up there?

great and spacious! get your cultural references straight!

[Hot Lunch]

Aren't you a Ute fan now anyway? What do you care?

LOL. I do want to see good football in the state of Utah and I can admit that I want BYU to be successful. I am not a hater like some. I just want Utah to be more successful. Just giving my opinion is all.

[beelzebabette]

You're not making any sense here.

ND is not required to play Navy. It's a little bit of an assumption that they would choose to play BYU, but they have in the past, and with BYU having no other scheduling obligations and pretty much willing to play ND whenever ND chooses (conf championship weekend?), it's not that big of a stretch.

Your example of a crappy exchange there is almost funny because outside of TCU, it's a pretty even switch. Plus, we get to travel to Hawaii every other year.

For every Duke (a BCS team, remember), there is a double barf with Wyoming.

And I'm not sure how Army Navy gets substituted for OU/Texas/FSU. Oh right, OU/Texas/FSU are playing us for our MWC affiliation.

You're right. I misunderstood the nature of the relationship between ND & Navy. Long-standing rivalry that BYU-ND do not have.

Duke gets us closer to a BCS bid? I doubt it.

I did leave out BSU when comparing staying in the MWC to a WAC affiliation.

As for the rest of your dispute, you keep pointing to the post as definitive proof we should leave. I didn't compile the initial schedule you're using.

[Jeff Lebowski]

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-if-byu-leaves

Scheduling is going to be much tougher. Though BYU would play several WAC teams, it would have to go after others to fill out the rest of its season. Boise State has had a difficult time getting its handful of marquee nonconference games. BYU could encounter similar obstacles.

But going independent means keeping TV dollars and potential BCS money all for itself. BYU already has its own network, and there is a possibility an independent BYU could negotiate its own national TV deal like Notre Dame. But the chances of BYU being given the same status as Notre Dame when it comes to gaining entry into a BCS game do not appear to be great.

[Jarid in Cedar]

You're not making any sense here.

ND is not required to play Navy. It's a little bit of an assumption that they would choose to play BYU, but they have in the past, and with BYU having no other scheduling obligations and pretty much willing to play ND whenever ND chooses (conf championship weekend?), it's not that big of a stretch.

Your example of a crappy exchange there is almost funny because outside of TCU, it's a pretty even switch. Plus, we get to travel to Hawaii every other year.

For every Duke (a BCS team, remember), there is a double barf with Wyoming.

And I'm not sure how Army Navy gets substituted for OU/Texas/FSU. Oh right, OU/Texas/FSU are playing us for our MWC affiliation.

Now here is an understatement in a sea of hyperbole.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-if-byu-leaves

I think BYU will find itself playing a lot of good teams on the road or as DDD would like to say "neutral site" games like Va Tech in Washington DC. 3-4 of those a year, then 7 home games against WAC teams.

[ERCougar]

You're right. I misunderstood the nature of the relationship between ND & Navy. Long-standing rivalry that BYU-ND do not have.

Duke gets us closer to a BCS bid? I doubt it.

I did leave out BSU when comparing staying in the MWC to a WAC affiliation.

As for the rest of your dispute, you keep pointing to the post as definitive proof we should leave. I didn't compile the initial schedule you're using.

You asked how on earth we get ND on the schedule. I answered, you ignored.

I said Duke, a BCS team, is as good or better on our schedule than Wyoming. You replied that Duke doesn't get us a BCS bid. Great point, but unfortunately completely irrelevant.

Yes, you did leave BSU out of the hypothetical. Of course, you substituted Texas/OU/FSU in its place. I must not have the connections you do, but I haven't seen the schedule that has Texas, OU, and FSU all on the same year. If it's out there, then yes, that schedule might be better than a future independent schedule.

So let's do a real comparison:
BYU 2011 independent hypothetical (parentheses - current year's opponent to compart)
Maryland (Washington) - slight edge to UW
Wake (TCU) - Edge to TCU
Notre Dame (FSU) - Edge ND
AFA (AFA)
SMU (UNLV) - Couldn't care less
Fresno (Nevada) - Couldn't care less
Duke (Wyoming) - Edge Duke
Army (CSU) - Edge Army
Hawaii - Edge Hawaii
La Tech (UNM) - Couldn't care less...maybe slight UNM edge
Utah (Utah)
Utah State (Utah St)
Navy (BSU) - Edge to BSU

Looks pretty even, or even slightly in favor of the independent schedule.