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  • #61
    Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
    So what are the insurance premiums on a thing like that? All you need is a manure-spreader jack knifing on the highway....
    I'm actually more interested in whether or not it has an exercise band ala the truck Stallone drove in Over the Top!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
      Maryland / Wake / Notre Dame / AFA / SMU / Fresno State / Duke/ Army / Hawaii / La Tech / Utah / Utah State

      Notre Dame is required to play Navy. How will BYU suddenly get on the schedule?

      I'm sure Maryland & Wake can't wait to get a home & home with BYU.

      AFA, SMU, Fresno State, Hawaii, La Tech, & Utah State--okay, throw out USU since they're already on our schedule & AFA because they would be if we stayed in the MWC--better than TCU, SDSU, UNLV, & New Mexico?

      Duke?

      Army (or Navy). Would be cool.

      So we get an Army Navy game instead of Oklahoma/Texas/FSU.

      Maybe I can get on this bandwagon.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by YOhio View Post
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        • #64
          It sounds as if there will be plenty of empty space in the large and spacious downtown mall. Why not move the HD facilities up there?

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          • #65
            Originally posted by beelzebabette View Post
            Maryland / Wake / Notre Dame / AFA / SMU / Fresno State / Duke/ Army / Hawaii / La Tech / Utah / Utah State

            Notre Dame is required to play Navy. How will BYU suddenly get on the schedule?

            I'm sure Maryland & Wake can't wait to get a home & home with BYU.

            AFA, SMU, Fresno State, Hawaii, La Tech, & Utah State--okay, throw out USU since they're already on our schedule & AFA because they would be if we stayed in the MWC--better than TCU, SDSU, UNLV, & New Mexico?

            Duke?

            Army (or Navy). Would be cool.

            So we get an Army Navy game instead of Oklahoma/Texas/FSU.

            Maybe I can get on this bandwagon.

            Re getting on ND's schedule: ESPN. As of this AM of heard from three separate people who aren't getting their info from the same place that ESPN is working on a BYU-ND matchup for 2011 and/or 2012 as part of the deal.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by beelzebabette View Post
              Maryland / Wake / Notre Dame / AFA / SMU / Fresno State / Duke/ Army / Hawaii / La Tech / Utah / Utah State

              Notre Dame is required to play Navy. How will BYU suddenly get on the schedule?

              I'm sure Maryland & Wake can't wait to get a home & home with BYU.

              AFA, SMU, Fresno State, Hawaii, La Tech, & Utah State--okay, throw out USU since they're already on our schedule & AFA because they would be if we stayed in the MWC--better than TCU, SDSU, UNLV, & New Mexico?

              Duke?

              Army (or Navy). Would be cool.

              So we get an Army Navy game instead of Oklahoma/Texas/FSU.

              Maybe I can get on this bandwagon.
              You're not making any sense here.

              ND is not required to play Navy. It's a little bit of an assumption that they would choose to play BYU, but they have in the past, and with BYU having no other scheduling obligations and pretty much willing to play ND whenever ND chooses (conf championship weekend?), it's not that big of a stretch.

              Your example of a crappy exchange there is almost funny because outside of TCU, it's a pretty even switch. Plus, we get to travel to Hawaii every other year.

              For every Duke (a BCS team, remember), there is a double barf with Wyoming.

              And I'm not sure how Army Navy gets substituted for OU/Texas/FSU. Oh right, OU/Texas/FSU are playing us for our MWC affiliation.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Hot Lunch View Post
                If you want to see what BYU's schedule will look like as an independent, just take a look at Army and Navy's schedule and you will have a pretty good idea of what to expect. It really isn't an improvement from what they currently have.

                I really don't understand the assumption that ESPN will help BYU schedule 4 games a year.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by oxcoug View Post
                  Re getting on ND's schedule: ESPN. As of this AM of heard from three separate people who aren't getting their info from the same place that ESPN is working on a BYU-ND matchup for 2011 and/or 2012 as part of the deal.
                  Bull. At least the and part of the 2011 and/or 2012. There is no way ND is coming to Provo two straight years. All ND home games are broadcast by NBC, so for the "and" part to be true they would have to play in Provo both years. Not ever going to happen.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Spicy McHaggis View Post
                    It sounds as if there will be plenty of empty space in the large and spacious downtown mall. Why not move the HD facilities up there?
                    great and spacious! get your cultural references straight!
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Blueintheface View Post
                      Aren't you a Ute fan now anyway? What do you care?
                      LOL. I do want to see good football in the state of Utah and I can admit that I want BYU to be successful. I am not a hater like some. I just want Utah to be more successful. Just giving my opinion is all.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                        You're not making any sense here.

                        ND is not required to play Navy. It's a little bit of an assumption that they would choose to play BYU, but they have in the past, and with BYU having no other scheduling obligations and pretty much willing to play ND whenever ND chooses (conf championship weekend?), it's not that big of a stretch.

                        Your example of a crappy exchange there is almost funny because outside of TCU, it's a pretty even switch. Plus, we get to travel to Hawaii every other year.

                        For every Duke (a BCS team, remember), there is a double barf with Wyoming.

                        And I'm not sure how Army Navy gets substituted for OU/Texas/FSU. Oh right, OU/Texas/FSU are playing us for our MWC affiliation.
                        You're right. I misunderstood the nature of the relationship between ND & Navy. Long-standing rivalry that BYU-ND do not have.

                        Duke gets us closer to a BCS bid? I doubt it.

                        I did leave out BSU when comparing staying in the MWC to a WAC affiliation.

                        As for the rest of your dispute, you keep pointing to the post as definitive proof we should leave. I didn't compile the initial schedule you're using.

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                        • #72
                          http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/po...-if-byu-leaves

                          Scheduling is going to be much tougher. Though BYU would play several WAC teams, it would have to go after others to fill out the rest of its season. Boise State has had a difficult time getting its handful of marquee nonconference games. BYU could encounter similar obstacles.

                          But going independent means keeping TV dollars and potential BCS money all for itself. BYU already has its own network, and there is a possibility an independent BYU could negotiate its own national TV deal like Notre Dame. But the chances of BYU being given the same status as Notre Dame when it comes to gaining entry into a BCS game do not appear to be great.
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by ERCougar View Post
                            You're not making any sense here.

                            ND is not required to play Navy. It's a little bit of an assumption that they would choose to play BYU, but they have in the past, and with BYU having no other scheduling obligations and pretty much willing to play ND whenever ND chooses (conf championship weekend?), it's not that big of a stretch.

                            Your example of a crappy exchange there is almost funny because outside of TCU, it's a pretty even switch. Plus, we get to travel to Hawaii every other year.

                            For every Duke (a BCS team, remember), there is a double barf with Wyoming.

                            And I'm not sure how Army Navy gets substituted for OU/Texas/FSU. Oh right, OU/Texas/FSU are playing us for our MWC affiliation.

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                            • #74
                              I think BYU will find itself playing a lot of good teams on the road or as DDD would like to say "neutral site" games like Va Tech in Washington DC. 3-4 of those a year, then 7 home games against WAC teams.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by beelzebabette View Post
                                You're right. I misunderstood the nature of the relationship between ND & Navy. Long-standing rivalry that BYU-ND do not have.

                                Duke gets us closer to a BCS bid? I doubt it.

                                I did leave out BSU when comparing staying in the MWC to a WAC affiliation.

                                As for the rest of your dispute, you keep pointing to the post as definitive proof we should leave. I didn't compile the initial schedule you're using.
                                You asked how on earth we get ND on the schedule. I answered, you ignored.

                                I said Duke, a BCS team, is as good or better on our schedule than Wyoming. You replied that Duke doesn't get us a BCS bid. Great point, but unfortunately completely irrelevant.

                                Yes, you did leave BSU out of the hypothetical. Of course, you substituted Texas/OU/FSU in its place. I must not have the connections you do, but I haven't seen the schedule that has Texas, OU, and FSU all on the same year. If it's out there, then yes, that schedule might be better than a future independent schedule.

                                So let's do a real comparison:
                                BYU 2011 independent hypothetical (parentheses - current year's opponent to compart)
                                Maryland (Washington) - slight edge to UW
                                Wake (TCU) - Edge to TCU
                                Notre Dame (FSU) - Edge ND
                                AFA (AFA)
                                SMU (UNLV) - Couldn't care less
                                Fresno (Nevada) - Couldn't care less
                                Duke (Wyoming) - Edge Duke
                                Army (CSU) - Edge Army
                                Hawaii - Edge Hawaii
                                La Tech (UNM) - Couldn't care less...maybe slight UNM edge
                                Utah (Utah)
                                Utah State (Utah St)
                                Navy (BSU) - Edge to BSU

                                Looks pretty even, or even slightly in favor of the independent schedule.
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