Both Heaps and Nelson will start

[pellegrino]

The thinking is that they need to see how he handles the contact since he runs.

it makes sense to allow for a more accurate evaluation of his skills, but that it indicates Nelson has an edge as the starter? not so convinced.

[DapperDan]

They said that Bronco may have made a decision because they took the green jersey off Nelson and let him get hit.

Nelson lobbied a week to get them to let him practice "live". The only reason for Nelson to fight so hard to take that risk is if he felt he was behind in the QB race and that without the green jersey he could better make his case for the starting position. Nelson probably wouldn't have lobbied for this if he thought he was even with Heaps as BYU coaches tend to lean to seniority if all else is even.

It's unlikely that the coaches would have taken the risk either if they felt Nelson was their starting QB. That would have been, far too big of a risk and an unnecessary one at that.

It was also mentioned in one practice report (I forget which one) that the coaches would not let Heaps take off the green jersey for the same practice.

Lastly, reps against the ones are very much in Heaps favor.

Heaps vs Nelson vs 1's defense while they ran the1's offense. No using blind stats.

Thanks TBS and Wrubell for the stats.

Heaps 35-57 61% completion 373 yards 5 TD's 2 INT's

Nelson 7-16 43% completion 91 yards 3 TD's 0 INT's Ran 5 times for 27 yards.

[Shaka]

I do not think it is indicative of anything other than Nelson being tired of being called down on whistle sacks he had beat with his feet.

Nelson lobbied a week to get them to let him practice "live". The only reason for Nelson to fight so hard to take that risk is if he felt he was behind in the QB race and that without the green jersey he could better make his case for the starting position. Nelson probably wouldn't have lobbied for this if he thought he was even with Heaps as BYU coaches tend to lean to seniority if all else is even.

It's unlikely that the coaches would have taken the risk either if they felt Nelson was their starting QB. That would have been, far too big of a risk and an unnecessary one at that.

It was also mentioned in one practice report (I forget which one) that the coaches would not let Heaps take off the green jersey for the same practice.

Lastly, reps against the ones are very much in Heaps favor.

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[jay santos]

It sounds like Nelson might have the edge right now and that both will likely play.

My preference was for Heaps to blow up and make it obvious he's the man. Since that hasn't exactly happened I'm fine with both playing for a while.

[DapperDan]

I do not think it is indicative of anything other than Nelson being tired of being called down on whistle sacks he had beat with his feet.

I'm sure Heaps is tired of being whistle sacked on plays he could escape from too. Although he's probably more tired of receivers dropping balls that hit them right in the hands.

[Hot Lunch]

It sounds like Nelson might have the edge right now and that both will likely play.

My preference was for Heaps to blow up and make it obvious he's the man. Since that hasn't exactly happened I'm fine with both playing for a while.

I was told that neither of them did anything yesterday in the scrimmage to separate themselves from the other and that both just looked average.

[USUC]

I'm not confident in offenses that have 2 QBs sharing the duties. Can't think of a team it actually works for. I would rather have Nelson named the starter and replaced by Heaps if he tanks than having both be named co-starters.

Do the Ute fans here know what the fall camp competition between Cain and Wynn was last year? I could see a similar situation unfold for BYU this year.

[MarkGrace]

It's been pretty obvious from the get-go, but coach Bronco Mendenhall finally confirmed after Saturday's scrimmage that BYU's QB race is down to two contenders: junior Riley Nelson and true freshman Jake Heaps.

Though Mendenhall termed the competition "dead even," he may have tipped his hand a bit by allowing Nelson to play without a noncontact jersey. The other three QBs, Heaps included, remained off limits. By making Nelson live, Mendendall got a chance to see how Nelson responded to real pressure and actual hits.

"I figured I am going to get hit in the season," Nelson said, suggesting that he knows he is going to play, "and if we are going to have designed quarterback runs, and things like that, I gotta get used to contact because guys are flying around and there are big hits out there in Division I college football."

Jay Drew of the Salt Lake Tribune hazards a guess as to what this means: "It showed that if Heaps is named the starter, Nelson will still play. The opposite isn't necessarily true."

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[Hot Lunch]

I'm not confident in offenses that have 2 QBs sharing the duties. Can't think of a team it actually works for. I would rather have Nelson named the starter and replaced by Heaps if he tanks than having both be named co-starters.

Do the Ute fans here know what the fall camp competition between Cain and Wynn was last year? I could see a similar situation unfold for BYU this year.

I can't remember a two QB system ever working.

[CJF]

I can't remember a two QB system ever working.

Worked ok for Florida.

[Top Ute]

I'm not confident in offenses that have 2 QBs sharing the duties. Can't think of a team it actually works for. I would rather have Nelson named the starter and replaced by Heaps if he tanks than having both be named co-starters.

Do the Ute fans here know what the fall camp competition between Cain and Wynn was last year? I could see a similar situation unfold for BYU this year.

Early in camp, it was Wynn, Cain and Louks, in that order. Louks transferred after that, and Cain played better as camp went on and took the job.

[Shaka]

I was told that neither of them did anything yesterday in the scrimmage to separate themselves from the other and that both just looked average.

I heard the exact same thing.

[Hot Lunch]

Worked ok for Florida.

Are you talking about the way they used Tebow? I guess I don't consider that a 2 qb system. They used Tebow in certain situations. I guess when I think of a two qb system, I think of both qb's getting equal reps during a game like South Carolina did a couple of years ago. I think Oregon St. did it as well recently. I also think Oregon did it at one point with Dixon and Leaf as well.

[CardiacCoug]

Are you talking about the way they used Tebow? I guess I don't consider that a 2 qb system. They used Tebow in certain situations. I guess when I think of a two qb system, I think of both qb's getting equal reps during a game like South Carolina did a couple of years ago. I think Oregon St. did it as well recently. I also think Oregon did it at one point with Dixon and Leaf as well.

Right.

If Heaps is the QB and Riley comes in to run option or wildcat in short yardage situations, that isn't what I would call a 2-QB system. I'd be OK with using 2 QBs the way Florida did with Leak and Tebow.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Isn't this some crazy system that someone on CB was hyping a few years ago? I remember someone, I think from Texas, was hyping it as something being done by a local HS team and it would change football forever.