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  • #1

    From byu's perspective.. What is so bad about playing twice in a row in Salt Lake

    Especially if Utah makes it up to byu in 5 or 6 years

    Is it just sour grapes?
    jealousy?
    You don't want to appear weak?

    btw...Iowa st is gone from the schedule in 2011 because they need the extra conference game.
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    you mean just once? Nothing's wrong with it one time.

    The problem comes when (if) the U starts demanding a 2 for 1 because its a PAC 12 program and it "deserves" it.

    One time for scheduling purposes isn't a problem. But then, why would that be necessary anyway?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by falafel View Post
      you mean just once? Nothing's wrong with it one time.

      The problem comes when (if) the U starts demanding a 2 for 1 because its a PAC 12 program and it "deserves" it.

      One time for scheduling purposes isn't a problem. But then, why would that be necessary anyway?
      So what you are saying is that if byu comes to Salt Lake twice in row Utah will always demand 2-1? byu is that insecure?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
        Especially if Utah makes it up to byu in 5 or 6 years

        Is it just sour grapes?
        jealousy?
        You don't want to appear weak?

        btw...Iowa st is gone from the schedule in 2011 because they need the extra conference game.
        Why can't Utah make it work so the rivalry can continue to alternate sites. Utah is the one that left the conference so they should be the ones to make it work. If they don't want to make it work then I say skip the rivalry game for one year and resume the year after that.

        Oh, and it might have something to do with money.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
          So what you are saying is that if byu comes to Salt Lake twice in row Utah will always demand 2-1? byu is that insecure?
          How in the world did you get THAT from what i wrote?

          I simply said that if we have to go to SLC twice this one time then its not a problem. if you demand that 2/3rds of the rivalry games take place on the hill, then lets just not do it at all. I'm confident Utah would say the same thing if it were in BYU's shoes.
          Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post
            Why can't Utah make it work so the rivalry can continue to alternate sites. Utah is the one that left the conference so they should be the ones to make it work. If they don't want to make it work then I say skip the rivalry game for one year and resume the year after that.

            Oh, and it might have something to do with money.
            Because they have to play at least 6 home games for revenue purposes.
            "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

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            • #7
              Originally posted by falafel View Post
              How in the world did you get THAT from what i wrote?

              I simply said that if we have to go to SLC twice this one time then its not a problem. if you demand that 2/3rds of the rivalry games take place on the hill, then lets just not do it at all. I'm confident Utah would say the same thing if it were in BYU's shoes.
              When you wrote:

              The problem comes when (if) the U starts demanding a 2 for 1 because its a PAC 12 program and it "deserves" it.
              Utah isnt demanding a 2;1 all the time. They just have a one year scheduling quirk that they want to work out so they can play their rival.
              "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

              "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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              • #8
                Revenue purposes? We're talking about revenue purposes? Revenue purposes. Aren't you guys the ones that are going to be making an extra $20 million a year? Cry me a river. You either come play in Provo or screw it.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                  Because they have to play at least 6 home games for revenue purposes.


                  Maybe if you gave little background on the issue then it would make sense. Why can't Utah make room to go to BYU? Surely Weber State or some other patsy would be happy to play in RES on a one and done basis to fill in for revenue purposes.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Eddie Jones View Post


                    Maybe if you gave little background on the issue then it would make sense. Why can't Utah make room to go to BYU? Surely Weber State or some other patsy would be happy to play in RES on a one and done basis to fill in for revenue purposes.
                    In 2011 Utah was scheduled to play

                    At Boise St (Return trip for 2006)
                    At Pitt (Return trip for 2010)
                    Iowa st (their return for 2010 visit) that has already been canceled)
                    Oregon (their return for 2009 visit)

                    Since there will probably be 9 Pac-12 conference games Utah will need one OOC Home game to reach 6 home games for the year. Since Utah doesn't have a contract to play byu like they do the other games they are asking byu to play twice in Salt lake. If byu wont do that then yes Utah will get wyoming or weber st.
                    "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                    "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                    • #11
                      I don't think playing each other every single year is an important enough issue for us having to tweak our schedule to accommodate them.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                        In 2011 Utah was scheduled to play

                        At Boise St (Return trip for 2006)
                        At Pitt (Return trip for 2010)
                        Iowa st (their return for 2010 visit) that has already been canceled)
                        Oregon (their return for 2009 visit)

                        Since there will probably be 9 Pac-12 conference games Utah will need one OOC Home game to reach 6 home games for the year. Since Utah doesn't have a contract to play byu like they do the other games they are asking byu to play twice in Salt lake. If byu wont do that then yes Utah will get wyoming or weber st.
                        Technically...technically the two schools would be starting a "new" series wherein Utah is requesting the first home game. I suspect that this is the angle the officials at the U will use in negotiating a 2011 game vs. BYU.

                        If the two teams have to take a few years off, I'm sure that'll be fine too.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Indy Coug View Post
                          I don't think playing each other every single year is an important enough issue for us having to tweak our schedule to accommodate them.
                          This seems like a reasonable compromise.

                          Per Vegas Ute

                          If ISU is cancelled/delayed: BYU comes to SLC two years in a row, Utah goes to Provo the following 2 years then alternate...Pretty simple if you ask me, but BYU has to play ball.

                          Since Utah is not getting Pac-12 TV money in 2012 there is a chance that Utah will even have the rights to the game to sell...

                          If there are really 14 million BYU fans out there desperate to see the coogs play, Utah ought to be able to sell that game for a huge stack of cash and make a nice payment to BYU for their trouble.
                          "Be a philosopher. A man can compromise to gain a point. It has become apparent that a man can, within limits, follow his inclinations within the arms of the Church if he does so discreetly." - The Walking Drum

                          "And here’s what life comes down to—not how many years you live, but how many of those years are filled with bullshit that doesn’t amount to anything to satisfy the requirements of some dickhead you’ll never get the pleasure of punching in the face." – Adam Carolla

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mormon Red Death View Post
                            Especially if Utah makes it up to byu in 5 or 6 years

                            Is it just sour grapes?
                            jealousy?
                            You don't want to appear weak?

                            btw...Iowa st is gone from the schedule in 2011 because they need the extra conference game.
                            Because we hate your smelly, disgusting stadium and don't want to go there any more than we have to.

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                            • #15
                              2011: BYU's at Texas and at Oregon St. Utah's at Pitt and at Boise St.

                              It would be in the best interest of both teams to resume the series in 2012.
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