Dear Tom Holmoe

[LA Ute]

Vomitous mass.

You obviously haven't read The Primer yet. Sigh.

[Blueintheface]

His legacy is the refusal to admit when he is wrong.

Strangest thing in the world to me, pride.

"Holy shit, this online persona whom I've never met (or shared a pint with once perhaps) just caught me in hyperbole. Instead of going mea culpa I'll try changing the subject, a 10 min google search of "Holmoe violations scandal", insults, and finally responding to the only person in the thread that didn't just point out my obvious mistake. It's so perfect it ought to be illegal."

[SeattleUte]

I don't know Roberto, your'e obviously smarter than I am.

This is what's called being too cute by half. You shot your foot off.

Take off your blue goggles and see the truth about Holmoe's legacy at Cal.

Holmoe could be a great coach someday if he realizes when he was a bad coach the past few years. If he is such a great example of character, then he needs to show some and take more responsibility as a head coach. . . .

Holmoe's personality, a player's coach who might be a bit of a coddler, has proven to be the wrong one for a Cal head football coach. At Sunday's press conference, he referred to his players as his "children."

It might be OK for a coach to think of his players this way, but to mold them into successful players you need to treat them like men. Whether you're killing yourself trying to get to a bowl game or admitted to medical school, those who succeed in Berkeley are self-motivated and independent.
Sure, football is a team game, probably more so than any other. But if you are looking for someone to hold your hand the whole way, you're never going to do the job yourself.

http://www.dailycal.org/article/6964..._some_ad_happy

Players' coaches are the ones who get in trouble with the NCAA.

By the 1990s, the team couldn't even hang its hat on academics. Cal had to erase four victories from the 1999 season because of the use of academically ineligible players. The team produced graduation figures that later ranked among the worst in the Pac-10.

Ms. Barbour points out that those graduation statistics cover players who came to the school before current coach Jeff Tedford took over in late 2001. She also notes that his players have fared better than many conference teams in the NCAA's Academic Progress Rate, which measures how well a team's athletes stay in good academic standing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...864657590.html

[Blueintheface]

You obviously haven't read The Primer yet. Sigh.

Catch you in a lie or at the very least an exaggeration? I shall never receive such lofty praise as others have received at your hand. I stand, then, as a man un-warthogged and nonvomitous.

[LA Ute]

Catch you in a lie or at the very least an exaggeration? I shall never receive such lofty praise as others have received at your hand. I stand, then, as a man un-warthogged and nonvomitous.

There are other ways to earn the sobriquet recognition. Take heart.

[Katy Lied]

Really? On what basis do you 'think' those relative comparisons?

As PAC has said, all the Cal fans I know (and I know a few rabid hard core fans) think very highly of Holmoe's personal integrity, but just not so highly of his ability to coach or run a football program.

Actually, I'm not thinking of his Cal years at all. I base it on Holmoe's handling of the volleyball coaching scandal. I think a lot of it is as 71 says: his hands were tied, and some of his shoddy behavior was a result of BYU telling him to handle affairs a certain way.

Practice-gate was a lot bigger deal than cookie-gate or hamburger-gate.

I think the biggest scandal was his boorish, over-the-top distasteful treatment of his players. I think that some day some kid is going to go public with it at the time it is happening. This is classic "tailhook" behavior that has been excused year after year, and someday its going to blow wide open and everyone is going to be disgusted with what he has been getting away with.

[LA Ute]

I think the biggest scandal was his boorish, over-the-top distasteful treatment of his players. I think that some day some kid is going to go public with it at the time it is happening. This is classic "tailhook" behavior that has been excused year after year, and someday its going to blow wide open and everyone is going to be disgusted with what he has been getting away with.

I agree, and this was a subject of great controversy among Ute fans. I think SU is still upset about the position I took.

[SeattleUte]

LA, are you going to let her get away with the outrageous comment that Holmoe is more competent than Dr. Hill?

Creekster only disagreed with the part that Dr. Hill has more integrity than Holmoe.

I see BYU fans believe in the same nonsense Utes do that AD's have something to do with what goes on on the field.

[Katy Lied]

LA, are you going to let her get away with the outrageous comment that Holmoe is more competent than Dr. Hill?

Creekster only disagreed with the part that Dr. Hill has more integrity than Holmoe.

I see BYU fans believe in the same nonsense Utes do that AD's have something to do with what goes on on the field.

To be clear, I think Hill has a great amount of integrity irrespective of anyone else.

I used to think Hill was super shrewd in his coaching picks. But it's "what have you done lately," so my opinion has gone down.

[creekster]

LA, are you going to let her get away with the outrageous comment that Holmoe is more competent than Dr. Hill?

Creekster only disagreed with the part that Dr. Hill has more integrity than Holmoe.

I see BYU fans believe in the same nonsense Utes do that AD's have something to do with what goes on on the field.

Given the many handicaps that BYU faces, and which you so frequently describe here, isnt it hard not to admire Holmoe for ANY success he manages at that horrible, horrible school?

[SeattleUte]

To be clear, I think Hill has a great amount of integrity irrespective of anyone else.

I used to think Hill was super shrewd in his coaching picks. But it's "what have you done lately," so my opinion has gone down.

If you have choices picking coaches is a crap shoot. This is not a challenge or risk Holmoe has had to confront.

[il Padrino Ute]

To be clear, I think Hill has a great amount of integrity irrespective of anyone else.

I used to think Hill was super shrewd in his coaching picks. But it's "what have you done lately," so my opinion has gone down.

His outbidding BYU to get KW was a good move but I'll agree that basketball has been a letdown. Of course, it's tough to replace a coach as good as Majerus was. Majerus was an ass and treated his players horribly, but his knowledge of the game is surpassed by only a handful of coaches. For that reason, I'll not knock Hill about his basketball hires.

[creekster]

If you have choices picking coaches is a crap shoot. This is not a challenge or risk Holmoe has had to confront.

so your logic is: insufficent data for Holmoe means Hill is a genius on this issue? Next step, declare yourself the winner and go to the next thread!

[old_gregg]

It's mine and it's not a secret. I don't hide behind a veil of anonymity.

would it be cool if i use your picture as my avatar?

[Katy Lied]

Majerus was an ass and treated his players horribly, but his knowledge of the game is surpassed by only a handful of coaches. For that reason, I'll not knock Hill about his basketball hires.

My feelings about Majerus are complex. I admire him so much, and I'm disgusted by him beyond belief.