The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[USUC]

I expect them to drop a game or two in the PAC 12. That always happens in that conference. Nobody is going undefeated in the PAC. Oregon is a good team though and what they did in the shoe today was impressive.

I think we overrated the crappiness of the Pac-12 in week one and the showing in week 2 will be just as overrated in the opposite direction.

[Jeff Lebowski]

There is no doubt that in regards to on field performance, the new Big-XII is certainly as good as the Pac-12. But the biggest argument is the recruiting rankings of the new Big-XII versus the Pac-12. There are 10 Pac-12 teams ranked in the top 40 in recruiting, while there are only 2 from the new Big-XII. And at the top, thePAC-12 is getting blue chips and none in the Big-XII are.

But I agree. Screw them! I'll enjoy the new conference and continue to observe Utah not getting anywhere close to a national championship.

They certainly haven't done much with that talent for several years now.

[Uncle Ted]

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[Bo Diddley]

I think we overrated the crappiness of the Pac-12 in week one and the showing in week 2 will be just as overrated in the opposite direction.

I think parity is what you are seeing.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think parity is what you are seeing.

Is that what the Montana loss at home was about? Lol.

[Bo Diddley]

Is that what the Montana loss at home was about? Lol.

Haha. Touche!

[Flystripper]

I never thought that PAC 12 sucked. USC UCLA Oregon are all solid. ASU might be OK this year. Utah if OK and Colorado nearly beat A&M today. BYU fans shitting on the PAC 12 always rings hollow to me.

There is lots of parity in the PAC 12, which makes it hard to run the table. They ain’t no Alabama but nobody is.

[Bo Diddley]

I never thought that PAC 12 sucked. USC UCLA Oregon are all solid. ASU might be OK this year. Utah if OK and Colorado nearly beat A&M today. BYU fans shitting on the PAC 12 always rings hollow to me.

There is lots of parity in the PAC 12, which makes it hard to run the table. They ain’t no Alabama but nobody is.

I've been surprised to see Utah not be as competitive as I thought they would be in the PAC12. And conference smack is dumb.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I never thought that PAC 12 sucked. USC UCLA Oregon are all solid. ASU might be OK this year. Utah if OK and Colorado nearly beat A&M today. BYU fans shitting on the PAC 12 always rings hollow to me.

There is lots of parity in the PAC 12, which makes it hard to run the table. They ain’t no Alabama but nobody is.

By just about every measure, the P12 has been the weakest of the P5 conferences in recent years. You can certainly make an argument that they are stronger than the new B12, but come on.

[Flystripper]

It’s true that their best team has not been as good as the other p5 best teams but the rest is splitting hairs. There is plenty of average football played in every conference every year.

[Non Sequitur]

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Looking at the map, I wonder if we'll be in the red-neck trash division or the not quite red-neck trash division. I guess it was naïve to hope that the PAC12 would overlook our baggage and let us in, but I was still holding out hope. As much as I hated independence, I guess the consequential laying with skanks is better than the weekly inconsequential go in the basement with which we've become accustomed. Go Cougars, I guess.

[Pelado]

Looking at the map, I wonder if we'll be in the red-neck trash division or the not quite red-neck trash division. I guess it was naïve to hope that the PAC12 would overlook our baggage and let us in, but I was still holding out hope. As much as I hated independence, I guess the consequential laying with skanks is better than the weekly inconsequential go in the basement with which we've become accustomed. Go Cougars, I guess.

Quite the motivational speech.

[Uncle Ted]

By just about every measure, the P12 has been the weakest of the P5 conferences in recent years. You can certainly make an argument that they are stronger than the new B12, but come on.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the P12 remains the weakest of the P5 conferences. Essentially, they have reaped the benefit of having BYU in the PAC 12 without actually having BYU in the conference. This year alone BYU has five Pac 12 games. BYU has sold a lot of tickets for them and now that is largely coming to an end. (e.g., the last five years the Arizona Wildcats average about 45,000 in attendance. Last weeks game had like 55,000.) Once in the Big 12 BYU may have one Pac 12 game a year, two at the most. I wouldn't be surprised if BYU doesn't get scheduled with the Pac12 much at all after 2023 given the new Pac12/B1G/ACC alliance. The Big 12 will be losing two big teams but the average game attendance will be still higher with the remaining members than the average Pac 12 attendance (see one of my previous postings for the analysis). Of course, you have to consider that the Pac 12 has essentially lost a team as well, BYU. And BYU has an average home attendance greater than all the Pac 12 teams with the exception of USC and UW. (USC should just go independent.)

[Uncle Ted]

Bob Bowlsby Suggests Big 12 Could Expand to ’20 or 24 Teams’

It was a historic week for the Big 12 Conference, but according to commissioner Bob Bowlsby, there could be more to come. A lot more.

On Friday, the Big 12 Conference officially welcomed in four new members in BYU, UCF, Cincinnati and Houston. It capped off a tumultuous several weeks that started with Oklahoma and Texas shockingly announcing their plans to leave the Big 12 for the SEC. And after weeks of speculation wondering what the future would hold for the Big 12, the conference was able to keep itself in tact and bring new teams into the fold.

But when commissioner Bob Bowlsby met with the Waco media on Saturday prior to Baylor’s game against Texas Southern, it’s clear that he’s not done looking at expanding the league beyond the 12 teams it will have after OU and Texas leave.

Bowlsby said, “We’ll look for targets of opportunity. We might find out down the road that larger alignments are going to be the order of the day. We might find ourselves going to 20 or 24 (teams) at some point in time.”

My initial thought is that I don’t see how there are another 8-12 schools that could possibly bring value to the Big 12, but I will give leadership of the conference this much: They’re actually trying to think ahead and outside of the box, something that has not been done in this conference since it was founded.
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https://www.heartlandcollegesports.c...0-or-24-teams/

[LiveCoug]

That sounds absolutely terrible. 8-12 more G5 teams to dilute the conference? No way is that helpful