The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[lambdacoug]

How many times does he say "just one more thing"? Seriously...

[YOhio]

Let's again stipulate that anyone who thinks there are better B12 candidates than BYU is a shit for brains.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Houston. lol.

Why on earth would Texas insist on Houston? That's all they need is another school in Texas to get stronger and siphon away recruiting talent.

[Moliere]

Houston. lol.

Why on earth would Texas insist on Houston? That's all they need is another school in Texas to get stronger and siphon away recruiting talent.

The one UH fan in my ward would be ecstatic.

[falafel]

Houston. lol.

Why on earth would Texas insist on Houston? That's all they need is another school in Texas to get stronger and siphon away recruiting talent.

It sounded like UT was being "pressured" to insist on Houston. Who would pressure UT? Could it be... the TEXAS LEGISLATURE?!?

[Commando]

I want to learn more about how Texas and Oklahoma are their own separate, single faction and how UWV is also its own faction.

[Topper]

Let's again stipulate that anyone who thinks there are better B12 candidates than BYU is a shit for brains.

So stipulated. However, given that the Texas legislature might be involved, that might be a redundant statement.

[TripletDaddy]

It sounded like UT was being "pressured" to insist on Houston. Who would pressure UT? Could it be... the TEXAS LEGISLATURE?!?

Viking and uncle Ted warned us about the Texas leg. they have been a threat since day 1. We only have ourselves to blame.

[HawkeyeCoug]

Viking and uncle Ted warned us about the Texas leg. they have been a threat since day 1. We only have ourselves to blame.

Though not a resident of Utah at the time, I did write Utah State legislators and ask why they weren't pressing to get BYU into the Pac 12 as well. Never got much of a response.

If BYU and it's supporters had not been such pantywaists, and had put political pressure on the Pac 10 to take both or take neither, we would probably be in a Pac 14 right now. Still mad at those "BYU fans" who were fighting against using political pressure to get us into the Pac.

[old_gregg]

Though not a resident of Utah at the time, I did write Utah State legislators and ask why they weren't pressing to get BYU into the Pac 12 as well. Never got much of a response.

If BYU and it's supporters had not been such pantywaists, and had put political pressure on the Pac 10 to take both or take neither, we would probably be in a Pac 14 right now. Still mad at those "BYU fans" who were fighting against using political pressure to get us into the Pac.

lol knock it off. did you write your letter to the legislature in crayon?

[Blueintheface]

Though not a resident of Utah at the time, I did write Utah State legislators and ask why they weren't pressing to get BYU into the Pac 12 as well. Never got much of a response.

If BYU and it's supporters had not been such pantywaists, and had put political pressure on the Pac 10 to take both or take neither, we would probably be in a Pac 14 right now. Still mad at those "BYU fans" who were fighting against using political pressure to get us into the Pac.

if you're looking to Place blame, you might want to consideR starting with the "byu fans" whO took a Political stand instEad of lobbyInG for inclusion in tHe pac Twelve.

[il Padrino Ute]

if you're looking to Place blame, you might want to consideR starting with the "byu fans" whO took a Political stand instEad of lobbyInG for inclusion in tHe pac Twelve.

Clever.

[HawkeyeCoug]

lol knock it off. did you write your letter to the legislature in crayon?

I live in Virginia. Guess why VT is in the ACC? It isn't because Beamer built a football program (at the cost of TA labs for regular students to boot). It was because the Commonwealth Legislature got involved and put pressure on UVA to get them in.

A similar political tale is told of Baylor's entry into the Big 12, and Texas A&M getting into the SEC. Highly placed alumni brought political pressure to bear on getting Baylor in, and letting A&M out.

There were plenty of BYU alumni that are residents of Utah and that could have brought political pressure into the decision - including the governor himself. I will never understand the "lay down and let the UU walk all over BYU politically" mindset that some fans seem to have. We had well placed alumni, we had political capitol, and that was a critical time in which it could have tipped the decision in BYU's favor.

Realignment is a power play. We needed to use the tools at our disposal - including political pressure from the governor and state legislature. Those representatives in Utah County who did not do it were not representing their constituents well as much more money would flow into Utah County as a result of being in a P5 conference, thus hurting those they represented.

Look at how the Logan representatives spun the athlete subsidies at USU as an economic boost for Northern Utah. Why weren't the Utah County representatives playing hardball, insisting BYU get in the Pac 12 if the UU did, and spinning it as an economic boost for Utah county?

[old_gregg]

I live in Virginia. Guess why VT is in the ACC? It isn't because Beamer built a football program (at the cost of TA labs for regular students to boot). It was because the Commonwealth Legislature got involved and put pressure on UVA to get them in.

A similar political tale is told of Baylor's entry into the Big 12, and Texas A&M getting into the SEC. Highly placed alumni brought political pressure to bear on getting Baylor in, and letting A&M out.

There were plenty of BYU alumni that are residents of Utah and that could have brought political pressure into the decision - including the governor himself. I will never understand the "lay down and let the UU walk all over BYU politically" mindset that some fans seem to have. We had well placed alumni, we had political capitol, and that was a critical time in which it could have tipped the decision in BYU's favor.

Realignment is a power play. We needed to use the tools at our disposal - including political pressure from the governor and state legislature. Those representatives in Utah County who did not do it were not representing their constituents well as much more money would flow into Utah County as a result of being in a P5 conference, thus hurting those they represented.

Look at how the Logan representatives spun the athlete subsidies at USU as an economic boost for Northern Utah. Why weren't the Utah County representatives playing hardball, insisting BYU get in the Pac 12 if the UU did, and spinning it as an economic boost for Utah county?

utah definitely had the political capitol

[Lost Student]

if you're looking to Place blame, you might want to consideR starting with the "byu fans" whO took a Political stand instEad of lobbyInG for inclusion in tHe pac Twelve.

Most of the 12 are Ute fans, so I've been told. It's their fault, and I believe it was intentional sabotage of BYU.