The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[The_Douger]

Problem is, they'll go ahead and add UConn. Even with their disgusting football program.

[TripletDaddy]

I'd like to see the ACC go after Louisville to fill the good left by Maryland. Then the Big 12 would have too few options not to take BYU. It's a sad position as a BYU fan, but ill take it.

B12 needs 4 teams now, not 2. K-State loses and drops out of the picture entirely. Alabama and a week later is back in the championship game.

Which reminds me...i have to go bump a previous post.....

[ERCougar]

B12 needs 4 teams now, not 2. K-State loses and drops out of the picture entirely. Alabama and a week later is back in the championship game.

Which reminds me...i have to go bump a previous post.....

Why does that mean they need 4, not 2?

[Jarid in Cedar]

Why does that mean they need 4, not 2?

14 is the new 12

[TripletDaddy]

Why does that mean they need 4, not 2?

Just my opinion, but the SEC has changed the model for college football. To take away their competitive advantage (which is, the general perception of better teams from top to bottom), the other conferences need to keep up and match what the SEC is doing, which is, accumulating as many name brands as possible, regardless of whether those teams are doing well. The B1G understands this, which is why they are expanding again.

There is a reason why the SEC was aligned with Notre Dame on the new playoff football format. You don't have to be a conference champ to be one of the final four....that way, the SEC can get 2 teams in, not just one. The more power teams you have in your conference, I think the better your chances at having higher ranked teams at the end of the season (again, because of the perceived SOS in conference play).

Having 12 teams is a step in the right direction, but ultimately the B12 will need 14. How anachronistic do they look now with only ten teams? The B12 will not put another team into the title game until they expand. That is my guess.

[ERCougar]

Just my opinion, but the SEC has changed the model for college football. To take away their competitive advantage (which is, the general perception of better teams from top to bottom), the other conferences need to keep up and match what the SEC is doing, which is, accumulating as many name brands as possible, regardless of whether those teams are doing well. The B1G understands this, which is why they are expanding again.

There is a reason why the SEC was aligned with Notre Dame on the new playoff football format. You don't have to be a conference champ to be one of the final four....that way, the SEC can get 2 teams in, not just one. The more power teams you have in your conference, I think the better your chances at having higher ranked teams at the end of the season (again, because of the perceived SOS in conference play).

Having 12 teams is a step in the right direction, but ultimately the B12 will need 14. How anachronistic do they look now with only ten teams? The B12 will not put another team into the title game until they expand. That is my guess.

Makes sense.

I'm not sure how forward-looking the B12 is though. They don't seem to care too much about being the only 10 team conference, and the already wealthy powers don't seem to care too much about the extra revenue of a championship game. I would hope that KSU missing out on a championship would stir some sentiment in the league, but I wonder if it has to happen to OU or Texas first.

EDIT: Looks like the B12 is again rated tops in Sagarin.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc12.htm

[Art Vandelay]

Did anyone watch 60 minutes last night? I didn't see it, but I think it was about how much money some colleges are making, and how much the majority of schools are losing.

[ERCougar]

Did anyone watch 60 minutes last night? I didn't see it, but I think it was about how much money some colleges are making, and how much the majority of schools are losing.

I wonder if this is the logic behind the refusal of a championship game. Why bail out the losers when you're doing fine?

[byu71]

Did anyone watch 60 minutes last night? I didn't see it, but I think it was about how much money some colleges are making, and how much the majority of schools are losing.

I watched it and had the distinct impression it wasn't the FB programs that were losing the money. It is that they are counted on to bring in the dough to support the rest of the athletic programs.

Now I am a huge supporter of Title 9 or is it 10? I just think women's sport expenditure's should come out of women's sports incomes. I support the equal pay thing women are fighting for.

[TripletDaddy]

Makes sense.

I'm not sure how forward-looking the B12 is though. They don't seem to care too much about being the only 10 team conference, and the already wealthy powers don't seem to care too much about the extra revenue of a championship game. I would hope that KSU missing out on a championship would stir some sentiment in the league, but I wonder if it has to happen to OU or Texas first.

I agree with you here. Unfortunately, the B12 (Texas) is very slow to react.

Texas is not good and in an extended down cycle so they likely have little appetite right now to to bring in even more new blood and add an extra game that they can't win at the end of the season.

Looking at the current BCS standings, the SEC has set itself up beautifully again. With so many highly ranked teams, they are guaranteed another slot in the title game and have a very realistic shot at putting two teams in there again. Meanwhile, the B12 only has one team in the Top 10 and is on the outside looking in. The key to cramming all those teams into the Top 10 is to accumulate as much brand recognition as possible....the losses hurt you less and the wins boost you more when they come against big brand names.

[The_Douger]

I watched it and had the distinct impression it wasn't the FB programs that were losing the money. It is that they are counted on to bring in the dough to support the rest of the athletic programs.

Now I am a huge supporter of Title 9 or is it 10? I just think women's sport expenditure's should come out of women's sports incomes. I support the equal pay thing women are fighting for.

My cousin runs track at BYU and she was complaining about all the supposed "perks" the football and MBB teams get. I looked at her and said "You wouldn't even have a scholarship if it wasn't for what those guys do. You should be thanking them. The money those two teams bring in foot the bill for the entirety of the athletic dept. If they get any perks, it's only because they earned them. It's not like people show up and pay money to watch you run."

She was pretty miffed I said that to her, but my uncle (her dad) stopped the conversation and said it was true.

That program is still good though, because there wouldn't be opportunities for a lot of great athletes if the programs were all forced to be solvent on their own.

[falafel]

My cousin runs track at BYU and she was complaining about all the supposed "perks" the football and MBB teams get. I looked at her and said "You wouldn't even have a scholarship if it wasn't for what those guys do. You should be thanking them. The money those two teams bring in foot the bill for the entirety of the athletic dept. If they get any perks, it's only because they earned them. It's not like people show up and pay money to watch you run."

She was pretty miffed I said that to her, but my uncle (her dad) stopped the conversation and said it was true.

That program is still good though, because there wouldn't be opportunities for a lot of great athletes if the programs were all forced to be solvent on their own.

You kinda sound like a dick there, The_Douger.

[Applejack]

My cousin runs track at BYU and she was complaining about all the supposed "perks" the football and MBB teams get. I looked at her and said "You wouldn't even have a scholarship if it wasn't for what those guys do. You should be thanking them. The money those two teams bring in foot the bill for the entirety of the athletic dept. If they get any perks, it's only because they earned them. It's not like people show up and pay money to watch you run."

She was pretty miffed I said that to her, but my uncle (her dad) stopped the conversation and said it was true.

That program is still good though, because there wouldn't be opportunities for a lot of great athletes if the programs were all forced to be solvent on their own.

Sounds like your uncle is a guy that could solve quite a few disputes on CUF. You should invite him over here.

[The_Douger]

You kinda sound like a dick there, The_Douger.

Think what you like.

She's complaining about her free education that she earned by being an athlete at track, saying she doesn't get as neat of things as the football players. What that is, I don't know, whether it's training table, or what.

I'm just pointing out that despite her being a great athlete, their department doesn't cover the costs of their equipment, scholarships, and coaches and administrative salaries.

I pay a lot of money to watch football. I have never attended a track meet.

I have a hard time feeling bad for anyone who got their education covered for free while they were participating in a sport they liked doing.

[TripletDaddy]

I didn't know that The_Douger's cousin is latina. What a surprise.