The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[LiveCoug]

That has been the word from his sources until yesterday. He has also said that if certain conditions would be met, timeline for ditching indy would be moved up. Clearly conditions are starting to be met...

[TripletDaddy]

That has been the word from his sources until yesterday. He has also said that if certain conditions would be met, timeline for ditching indy would be moved up. Clearly conditions are starting to be met...

So you are saying that his sources told him that BYU will remain Indy unless it receives a favorable offer from a BCS conference.

I guess that is good scoop but didnt we already know that yesterday? And last week? And pretty much every week since they declared independence?

[LiveCoug]

So you are saying that his sources told him that BYU will remain Indy unless it receives a favorable offer from a BCS conference.

I guess that is good scoop but didnt we already know that yesterday? And last week? And pretty much every week since they declared independence?

My point is, he has sources.

[Goatnapper'96]

That has been the word from his sources until yesterday. He has also said that if certain conditions would be met, timeline for ditching indy would be moved up. Clearly conditions are starting to be met...

I call BS on this. Or that anything has changed. I just think the real course of action is now being made more public.

1.) This is not pre-meditated "oh shit" stuff.

2.) The Big-12 has known for at least a year that aTm was likely to bolt. It has been in the rumour mill for at least a year.

3.) I am sure the entire ESPN/Indy move was made knowing that if aTm did in fact bolt, BYU would be moving to the Big-12 and/or invited to the Big-12 when the conference decided to move back to 12 teams. So Indy was a stopping point mostly to mute the Ute move to the Pac-12 and piss off Utenation. That is why the party line was that BYU loved Indy. BYU did not want Utah to get all of the media love and attention, so it fabricated its deepest love and desires to be an Indy knowing that Big 12 inclusion was on the horizon but not knowing the exact time they would have to wait.

4.) Now that it is becoming more obvious more folks are getting briefed on what is going to happen, but until then I am convinced the reality of the Big 12 move was only known by a small group of people and I believe I have waxed eloquent on how the tightness of BYU lips is only rivaled by the tightness of the thighs of certain Prom Queens.

We can agree that if BYU does not get invited, if in fact aTm bolts, is because the Texas Legislature screwed us, that is my line and I am sticking to it.

[USUC]

Here we go with the "keep their word" business. I'm glad you are privy to the inner workings of the BYU/WCC contract. Share more!

Also, 1 more year of WCC would appease the conference and allow for this integrity you think BYU would be lacking? LOL.

Geeze. Let me qualify my statement:

If there is a binding WCC contract,I imagine something like this happening. I don't think BYU wants to burn its bridges with the WCC just in case the Big-12 does blow up and they need to go back to independence and to you know... keep their word.. BYU goes immediately in football and then after 2013 they fully integrate.

[Babs]

For example, I am a fan of the one of the oldest traditions in college football: Sooners losing their bowl game. That doesn't mean that OU will lose every bowl game, though. And I'm ok with that.

Sweet. Cheap shots from Triplet, HFN, and LAUte. There's an alliance you don't see everyday. I can tell this is going to be a great season!

[statman]

If there is a binding WCC contract,I imagine something like this happening. I don't think BYU wants to burn its bridges with the WCC just in case the Big-12 does blow up and they need to go back to independence and to you know... keep their word.. BYU goes immediately in football and then after 2013 they fully integrate.

After the nightmare that was the MWC TV contract, where BYU learned a serious lesson, I'm certain there are specific out-clauses with the WCC. Bridges won't be burned on that front.

Also - it needs to be kept top-of-mind that ESPN is involved in every aspect of the contingencies with this realignment. ESPN owns the SEC contract, Big XII contract, WCC contract, and BYU's Indy contract. Nothing happens without at least asking for their input/agreement/consent/blessing. They've got no interest in letting TAMU move to strengthen the SEC and kill the Big XII. They've got no interest in abandoning what they think will be a lucrative BYU contract. The WCC got their TV contract with ESPN renegotiated with the idea that BYU was going to be there. They're happy for a while regardless of what happens with TAMU/SEC/Big XII/BYU.

What ESPN IS interested in is strengthening the SEC, strengthening the Big XII, and putting pressure on any leagues that don't have ESPN contracts. The Big East (for football) is the conference that's really teetering right now.

[TripletDaddy]

Sweet. Cheap shots from Triplet, HFN, and LAUte. There's an alliance you don't see everyday. I can tell this is going to be a great season!

until the bowl game!

LA Ute, HFN

[TripletDaddy]

After the nightmare that was the MWC TV contract, where BYU learned a serious lesson, I'm certain there are specific out-clauses with the WCC. Bridges won't be burned on that front.

Also - it needs to be kept top-of-mind that ESPN is involved in every aspect of the contingencies with this realignment. ESPN owns the SEC contract, Big XII contract, WCC contract, and BYU's Indy contract. Nothing happens without at least asking for their input/agreement/consent/blessing. They've got no interest in letting TAMU move to strengthen the SEC and kill the Big XII. They've got no interest in abandoning what they think will be a lucrative BYU contract. The WCC got their TV contract with ESPN renegotiated with the idea that BYU was going to be there. They're happy for a while regardless of what happens with TAMU/SEC/Big XII/BYU.

What ESPN IS interested in is strengthening the SEC, strengthening the Big XII, and putting pressure on any leagues that don't have ESPN contracts. The Big East (for football) is the conference that's really teetering right now.

We know there is an out clause in the contract because when Holmoe was asked about it recently, he specifically declined to talk about it.

[Green Monstah]

Sweet. Cheap shots from Triplet, HFN, and LAUte. There's an alliance you don't see everyday. I can tell this is going to be a great season!

I suppose DDD's comment was cheap, even if true.

[LiveCoug]

I call BS on this. Or that anything has changed. I just think the real course of action is now being made more public.

1.) This is not pre-meditated "oh shit" stuff.

2.) The Big-12 has known for at least a year that aTm was likely to bolt. It has been in the rumour mill for at least a year.

3.) I am sure the entire ESPN/Indy move was made knowing that if aTm did in fact bolt, BYU would be moving to the Big-12 and/or invited to the Big-12 when the conference decided to move back to 12 teams. So Indy was a stopping point mostly to mute the Ute move to the Pac-12 and piss off Utenation. That is why the party line was that BYU loved Indy. BYU did not want Utah to get all of the media love and attention, so it fabricated its deepest love and desires to be an Indy knowing that Big 12 inclusion was on the horizon but not knowing the exact time they would have to wait.

4.) Now that it is becoming more obvious more folks are getting briefed on what is going to happen, but until then I am convinced the reality of the Big 12 move was only known by a small group of people and I believe I have waxed eloquent on how the tightness of BYU lips is only rivaled by the tightness of the thighs of certain Prom Queens.

We can agree that if BYU does not get invited, if in fact aTm bolts, is because the Texas Legislature screwed us, that is my line and I am sticking to it.

Correct. This isn't just an overnight thing. It's been in the works. Timeline just seems to be shifting.

[BlueHair]

Charles Barkley is on our side:

On BYU to the Big 12 rumors:

“I think they’d be a great addition. I think we have to really be careful though because we’re going to kill all these little conferences…With Texas A&M leaving the Big 12, realistically, you’re going to be down to two teams. Who are we kidding? Mississippi State and Mississippi, they’re just in the SEC, they’re not at the table. They’re just like the servants at the table. And I mean no disrespect. I mean, Texas and Oklahoma, they are the Big 12. Oklahoma State too, Coach (Mike) Gundy’s done a great job there, but let’s be realistic, it’s all about Texas and Oklahoma.”


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[Uncle Ted]

I call BS on this. Or that anything has changed. I just think the real course of action is now being made more public.

1.) This is not pre-meditated "oh shit" stuff.

2.) The Big-12 has known for at least a year that aTm was likely to bolt. It has been in the rumour mill for at least a year.

3.) I am sure the entire ESPN/Indy move was made knowing that if aTm did in fact bolt, BYU would be moving to the Big-12 and/or invited to the Big-12 when the conference decided to move back to 12 teams. So Indy was a stopping point mostly to mute the Ute move to the Pac-12 and piss off Utenation. That is why the party line was that BYU loved Indy. BYU did not want Utah to get all of the media love and attention, so it fabricated its deepest love and desires to be an Indy knowing that Big 12 inclusion was on the horizon but not knowing the exact time they would have to wait.

4.) Now that it is becoming more obvious more folks are getting briefed on what is going to happen, but until then I am convinced the reality of the Big 12 move was only known by a small group of people and I believe I have waxed eloquent on how the tightness of BYU lips is only rivaled by the tightness of the thighs of certain Prom Queens.

We can agree that if BYU does not get invited, if in fact aTm bolts, is because the Texas Legislature screwed us, that is my line and I am sticking to it.

Knowing that A&M wanted out and them actually leaving in a year are almost two different things here. Please keep in mind the Baylor factor in all of this. Fox sports signed a contract that was designed to keep the Big 12(-2) together ($90M/yr x 13 years). Now if the Big 12 dissolves as a result of TAMU bolting then Baylor, with their rumored war chest, is most likely going to sue everything that moves because this contract requires that at least 10 members to be in the Big 12. Therefore, TAMU needs to be very careful on their exit of the Big 12 and why the SEC presents just didn't issue a public invite for A&M to their conference. A&M could very easily be sued for the loss of the Fox sports contract which would be a lot of liability. Texas, OU, etc. would be OK if the Big 12 dissolved. They could join up with about any conference or, in Texas' case go independent. On the other hand, the schools like Baylor, ISU, etc. are in a different boat. A&M's thinking, however, is that the Big 12 would quickly replace them with a school like BYU and everyone will be happy. Note in A&M's announcement the other day they stated something about the Big 12 finding a replacement for them. Even if the Big 12 doesn't dissolve Baylor still might sue someone just for the hell of it, however, especially if they don't feel that A&M replacement doesn't measure up or something.


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[NorthwestUteFan]

3.) I am sure the entire ESPN/Indy move was made knowing that if aTm did in fact bolt, BYU would be moving to the Big-12 and/or invited to the Big-12 when the conference decided to move back to 12 teams. So Indy was a stopping point mostly to mute the Ute move to the Pac-12 and piss off Utenation. That is why the party line was that BYU loved Indy. BYU did not want Utah to get all of the media love and attention, so it fabricated its deepest love and desires to be an Indy knowing that Big 12 inclusion was on the horizon but not knowing the exact time they would have to wait.

Spoken like the mythical ALUF.

[USUC]

After the nightmare that was the MWC TV contract, where BYU learned a serious lesson, I'm certain there are specific out-clauses with the WCC. Bridges won't be burned on that front.

Also - it needs to be kept top-of-mind that ESPN is involved in every aspect of the contingencies with this realignment. ESPN owns the SEC contract, Big XII contract, WCC contract, and BYU's Indy contract. Nothing happens without at least asking for their input/agreement/consent/blessing. They've got no interest in letting TAMU move to strengthen the SEC and kill the Big XII. They've got no interest in abandoning what they think will be a lucrative BYU contract. The WCC got their TV contract with ESPN renegotiated with the idea that BYU was going to be there. They're happy for a while regardless of what happens with TAMU/SEC/Big XII/BYU.

What ESPN IS interested in is strengthening the SEC, strengthening the Big XII, and putting pressure on any leagues that don't have ESPN contracts. The Big East (for football) is the conference that's really teetering right now.

You've convinced me. I guess now I can funnel my neuroticism towards the Sunday play issue.