The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[SteelBlue]

Oh, and many of the insiders on CB are saying that BYU will most definitely turn down an invite to the Big 12 if it does indeed ever come. Too much goodwill with the WCC and catholic church, or some such nonsense.

I just can't buy that line of reasoning. Goodwill didn't get in the way when we left half the WAC behind or when we tried to make a stealthy move to independence. My worry would be that admin likes the autonomy that comes with independence and assumes that fans will be ok with terrible home schedules.

[Goatnapper'96]

I just can't buy that line of reasoning. Goodwill didn't get in the way when we left half the WAC behind or when we tried to make a stealthy move to independence. My worry would be that admin likes the autonomy that comes with independence and assumes that fans will be ok with terrible home schedules.

I think that in the end, Tom Holmoe and the coaches have far more persuasion on the decision makers than many want to think. The facts are that BYU locked up Dave Rose at the point when he was very, very hireable to other programs. I cannot for one moment think Dave Rose would have agreed to stay the HC at BYU if Dave Rose thought the decision makers would say no to an invite to the Big-12 because of promises to the WCC. That makes very, very little sense to me.

I don't think Holmoe, Rose or Mendenhall are stupid people. While BYU is excited for independence, I think much of what is driving that excitement is comparison with how things were in the MWC. Things are better, but I am absolutely convinced those who have the most influence on the decision makers know that things could be even better in the Big 12.

[byu71]

I think that in the end, Tom Holmoe and the coaches have far more persuasion on the decision makers than many want to think. The facts are that BYU locked up Dave Rose at the point when he was very, very hireable to other programs. I cannot for one moment think Dave Rose would have agreed to stay the HC at BYU if Dave Rose thought the decision makers would say no to an invite to the Big-12 because of promises to the WCC. That makes very, very little sense to me.

I don't think Holmoe, Rose or Mendenhall are stupid people. While BYU is excited for independence, I think much of what is driving that excitement is comparison with how things were in the MWC. Things are better, but I am absolutely convinced those who have the most influence on the decision makers know that things could be even better in the Big 12.

I have heard that this scheduling thing has proven to be a lot more difficult than they thought. That sounds a lot more reasonable to me than the statement, "good teams are beating down our doors to get on our schedule".

[Goatnapper'96]

I have heard that this scheduling thing has proven to be a lot more difficult than they thought. That sounds a lot more reasonable to me than the statement, "good teams are beating down our doors to get on our schedule".

I think that good teams like the home-away-neutral (closer to the opponent type of neutrality that BYU is willing to to give fans access to BYU). However, that ends up making it real difficult to balance the home schedule. If it stays the way it is the one downside is for those of us who attend BYU home football games but overall it is still an improvement to where BYU was.

I think they knew it was difficult going in and there was the hype machine purposely fanned and now reality is setting in. I am skeptical that Holmoe et all did not know that this was the likely endstate of home scheduling.

If/when the Big-12 comes calling BYU can still do the H-A-N games. BYU will have an 8 game conference schedule and 4 OOC games. One game each year will be a H-A-N game, one can be the U game, one can be a Home and Home series and the other will be Utah State or a FCS or some gimee. That gives at least one good home OOC game every year to go with 2 good home conference games. BYU will then have one real crappy home game and two pretty decent ones. Even you would be happy with that!

[LiveCoug]

I just can't buy that line of reasoning. Goodwill didn't get in the way when we left half the WAC behind or when we tried to make a stealthy move to independence. My worry would be that admin likes the autonomy that comes with independence and assumes that fans will be ok with terrible home schedules.

I agree. It makes no sense whatsoever. I fear that the BOT is very excited about the relationships that the LDS church can build with other religions based on a commitment to the WCC.

[ERCougar]

I agree. It makes no sense whatsoever. I fear that the BOT is very excited about the relationships that the LDS church can build with other religions based on a commitment to the WCC.

Give us a year in the wcc. Goodwill will be gone.

[ERCougar]

[QUOTE=LiveCoug;638617]BYU not even on this guys list. That's a first.


Which is why this should be dismissed out of hand. No serious discussion omits byu on this. I suspect he may be leaving them off the list for a reason, but not because theyre not being considered.

[TripletDaddy]

I agree. It makes no sense whatsoever. I fear that the BOT is very excited about the relationships that the LDS church can build with other religions based on a commitment to the WCC.

Serious question, but what is the importance or relevance of building relationships with Catholics and Jesuits? Why would that be important in deciding conference affiliation?

I understand the move to independence as a means of increasing our exposure, because it allows BYU to create a TV channel, play anywhere and whenever it wants, etc.

How does being in the WCC help the mission of the Church more so than being in any other conference?

[SeattleUte]

BYU is not going to the Big 12. Not ever. You heard it here first.

[byu71]

Give us a year in the wcc. Goodwill will be gone.

LOL, they (the WCC) probably think we are like Romney and Huntsman.

They are going to find out we are more like Bachman and Perry.

[Babs]

Which is why this should be dismissed out of hand.

Well, he is one of the Big 12 ADs. He went on to say that, outside of making a concession for Notre Dame, the Big 12 is committed to sticking with their current "geographic footprint." They don't want a state that's not contiguous with the others.

[Jeff Lebowski]

I think that in the end, Tom Holmoe and the coaches have far more persuasion on the decision makers than many want to think. The facts are that BYU locked up Dave Rose at the point when he was very, very hireable to other programs. I cannot for one moment think Dave Rose would have agreed to stay the HC at BYU if Dave Rose thought the decision makers would say no to an invite to the Big-12 because of promises to the WCC. That makes very, very little sense to me.

I don't think Holmoe, Rose or Mendenhall are stupid people. While BYU is excited for independence, I think much of what is driving that excitement is comparison with how things were in the MWC. Things are better, but I am absolutely convinced those who have the most influence on the decision makers know that things could be even better in the Big 12.

Completely agree.

[Coach McGuirk]

Well, he is one of the Big 12 ADs. He went on to say that, outside of making a concession for Notre Dame, the Big 12 is committed to sticking with their current "geographic footprint." They don't want a state that's not contiguous with the others.

Seeing that I have seen at least 2 other "big 12 AD's"quoted with BYU as the top canidate after ND, I am not sure what to think.

[snowcat]

I agree. It makes no sense whatsoever. I fear that the BOT is very excited about the relationships that the LDS church can build with other religions based on a commitment to the WCC.

Just throw them some free games shown on BYU-tv and everybody is happy.

[Goatnapper'96]

Well, he is one of the Big 12 ADs. He went on to say that, outside of making a concession for Notre Dame, the Big 12 is committed to sticking with their current "geographic footprint." They don't want a state that's not contiguous with the others.

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