The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[lambdacoug]

Perhaps we need a Big 12 Dumpster Fire thread where we can chronicle the conference falling apart over the next 9 years... They've certainly pissed off enough people over the past few years with this expansion charade...

Oddly, my level of angst over this round of expansion was far less than the previous round. Independence is not a P5 conference unless you happen to be ND, but it is far better than we had the previous go round. Like LaVell always said, all we can do is beat the teams we play, and the early returns on this coaching staff are positive.

[SeattleUte]

You are mischaracterizing the comments a bit. Some are claiming that, others are not. The ones who are upsetting are those who praising leadership for "sticking to their guns." Ugh, barf.

Topper is right. They are more diverse on CB. Yes, there are the clueless ones accusing the Big 12 of bigotry. But there are plenty who say that LDS leaders and BYU administrators blew it. Whatever. They all seem to get the real reason BYU didn't get an offer. In contrast to here. Everybody here, GET A FUCKING CLUE! This didn't happen because the big 12 is stupid or incompetent. (Well, maybe it was stupid or incompetent in initially overlooking BYU's monstrous defects. But that's all.) You guys should be breathing hell fire at LDS leaders and BYU administrators. Regardless of the Big 12, you should be doing this because they are hate mongers and bigots. BYU got what it deserved. Instead, you're all like a bunch of Stepford househusbands.

[Omaha 680]

Feel the kindness.

[Uncle Ted]

Topper is right. They are more diverse on CB. Yes, there are the clueless ones accusing the Big 12 of bigotry. But there are plenty who say that LDS leaders and BYU administrators blew it. Whatever. They all seem to get the real reason BYU didn't get an offer. In contrast to here. Everybody here, GET A FUCKING CLUE! This didn't happen because the big 12 is stupid or incompetent. (Well, maybe it was stupid or incompetent in initially overlooking BYU's monstrous defects. But that's all.) You guys should be breathing hell fire at LDS leaders and BYU administrators. Regardless of the Big 12, you should be doing this because they are hate mongers and bigots. BYU got what it deserved. Instead, you're all like a bunch of Stepford househusbands.

No, the consensus of everyone in the know is that the Big 12 is stoopid and took the money from the networks to not expand at the expense of destroying the conference. Try to keep up.

[Uncle Ted]

Transcript of Big 12 presser: http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410...ipts/12407.pdf

[Uncle Ted]

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[Jeff Lebowski]

Topper is right. They are more diverse on CB. Yes, there are the clueless ones accusing the Big 12 of bigotry. But there are plenty who say that LDS leaders and BYU administrators blew it. Whatever. They all seem to get the real reason BYU didn't get an offer. In contrast to here. Everybody here, GET A FUCKING CLUE! This didn't happen because the big 12 is stupid or incompetent. (Well, maybe it was stupid or incompetent in initially overlooking BYU's monstrous defects. But that's all.) You guys should be breathing hell fire at LDS leaders and BYU administrators. Regardless of the Big 12, you should be doing this because they are hate mongers and bigots. BYU got what it deserved. Instead, you're all like a bunch of Stepford househusbands.

Earlier today I was thinking, "Maybe SU will surprise us all and take the high road." Nope.

[Blueintheface]

Earlier today I was thinking, "Maybe SU will surprise us all and take the high road." Nope.

Stop it. You didn't think that for a fucking millisecond. Meanwhile, by posting that, you're kissing his ass whilst he shits on you.

Now deflect by suggesting I'm drunk, JL.

[dabrockster]

Topper is right. They are more diverse on CB. Yes, there are the clueless ones accusing the Big 12 of bigotry. But there are plenty who say that LDS leaders and BYU administrators blew it. Whatever. They all seem to get the real reason BYU didn't get an offer. In contrast to here. Everybody here, GET A FUCKING CLUE! This didn't happen because the big 12 is stupid or incompetent. (Well, maybe it was stupid or incompetent in initially overlooking BYU's monstrous defects. But that's all.) You guys should be breathing hell fire at LDS leaders and BYU administrators. Regardless of the Big 12, you should be doing this because they are hate mongers and bigots. BYU got what it deserved. Instead, you're all like a bunch of Stepford househusbands.

Fuck off you LDS hating piece of shit.. Like a dog to his vomit you will never move past you hatred...


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[Green Monstah]

Fuck off you LDS hating piece of shit.. Like a dog to his vomit you will never move past you hatred...


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[lambdacoug]

Fuck off you LDS hating piece of shit.. Like a dog to his vomit you will never move past you hatred...


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Feel the kindness...

[imanihonjin]

SU is partly right. BYU is its own worst enemy in terms of why they didn't get in. Whether it is right or wrong of BYU to stand on principle, is irrelevant. It is BYU's standing on principle that kept them out and the BIG 12 has every right to exclude on whatever basis they deem sufficient. However, where the BIG 12 comes off looking stupid is because they allowed this to play out in the public like they did. BYU's honor code isn't a secret and a short conversation with BYU regarding any flexibility it might have in altering the HC would have let the BIG 12 know rather quickly that BYU wouldn't bend on this issue, at least at this time and for these reasons. So yes, BYU's HC is the reason BYU didn't get invited, IMO, but there is also cause to be pissed at the BIG 12 because their actions over the last 3 months reek of unprofessionalism and discord within the conference.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Stop it. You didn't think that for a fucking millisecond. Meanwhile, by posting that, you're kissing his ass whilst he shits on you.

Now deflect by suggesting I'm drunk, JL.

WTH? That makes zero sense.

How about if you show an ounce of self control for a change and ignore my posts like you have repeatedly promised to do?

[lambdacoug]

SU is partly right. BYU is its own worst enemy in terms of why they didn't get in. Whether it is right or wrong of BYU to stand on principle, is irrelevant. It is standing on principle that kept them out and the BIG 12 has every right to exclude on whatever basis they deem sufficient. However, where they come of looking stupid is because they allowed this to play out in the public like they did. BYU's honor code isn't a secret and a short conversation with BYU regarding any flexibility it might have in altering the HC would have let the BIG 12 know rather quickly that BYU wouldn't bend on this issue, at least at this time and for these reasons. So yes, BYU HC is the reason BYU didn't get invited, IMO, but there is also cause to be pissed at the BIG 12 because their actions over the last 3 months reek of unprofessionalism and discord within the conference.

The Big 12 comes off looking like fools. What kills me is that BYU has now been effectively excluded from two P5 conferences. If the press is to be believed, the LGBTQ issues was a factor in this latest spectacle. At what point do BYU fans turn the investigation inward on why we've been excluded from 2 P5 conferences? Based on all the claims of discrimination, I have a pretty good idea when...

[imanihonjin]

The Big 12 comes off looking like fools. What kills me is that BYU has now been effectively excluded from two P5 conferences. If the press is to be believed, the LGBTQ issues was a factor in this latest spectacle. At what point do BYU fans turn the investigation inward on why we've been excluded from 2 P5 conferences? Based on all the claims of discrimination, I have a pretty good idea when...

This inward reflection won't change anything. Most supporters of the program would deem it a noble cause if it was absolutely clear that this was the reason for being left out.