The Big 12 expansion groundswell

[Jeff Lebowski]

lol. Crazy Texans.

[Paperback Writer]

http://www.burntorangenation.com/201...g-12-expansion

There's BYU and fifty feet of crap

The Big 12 isn’t too good. We’ll sleep with anyone.

At least the Longhorns seem to understand that BYU is the obvious first choice and that there are not any good options after that.

Utah is considered a beautiful vacation destination for both the summer and winter. When I tell people I'm from Utah they always tell me they love southern Utah or they live Park City or the mountains. It seems a lot of people in Houston have vacationed there and enjoyed it. You just don't realize how nice it is when you live there because you spend all day in the valleys with the Utah Mormons.

lol. Crazy Texans.

It's the summer heat that makes Texans crazy. It's the middle of summer and many of those transplanted Utah Mormons have fled Texas presumably to spend their summer days with their Utah Mormon extended family. Recently, I picked up my HT from DFW and he asked me to continue to combine my primary class with his wife's class as she and her kids are not returning to Texas when they originally planned. He wanted to extend his stay in Utah as well but had to catch his flight back to DFW and report to work. I joked that he wouldn't see his wife and family again until the first day of school.

I'll also add that Utah Mormons are not crazy enough to visit Texans during any season in the lone star state. Occasionally Texas will lure Utah grandparents to visit for a grandchild's baptism but only because they don't know any better. They typically don't repeat this mistake.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

The best is when their first open mic Sunday outside of Zion they talk about how excited they are to "be in the mission field!".

[lambdacoug]

The best is when their first open mic Sunday outside of Zion they talk about how excited they are to "be in the mission field!".

So you mean their first open mic Sunday outside of Jackson County Missouri, right?

[Paperback Writer]

The best is when their first open mic Sunday outside of Zion they talk about how excited they are to "be in the mission field!".

When my parents moved back to Utah upon retirement, their Bishop visited with them and brought up the topic of serving as senior missionaries. My Mom replied that they had just been released from serving a 40-year mission in the "mission field".

[Northwestcoug]

The best is when their first open mic Sunday outside of Zion they talk about how excited they are to "be in the mission field!".

Ha. We had friends who were excited to continue living in the 'mission field' when they moved to Oregon. At that point, they had already lived in Oklahoma and Colorado for at least 10 years. Mission call extended!

[Art Vandelay]

When my parents moved back to Utah upon retirement, their Bishop visited with them and brought up the topic of serving as senior missionaries. My Mom replied that they had just been released from serving a 40-year mission in the "mission field".

Best idea ever. Thank you! My wife has started the crazy talk of serving a mission in another decade or so. Whenever she brings it up, I usually retort with with, "do you really want to be stuck with me 24/7?" and she reconsiders.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

Best idea ever. Thank you! My wife has started the crazy talk of serving a mission in another decade or so. Whenever she brings it up, I usually retort with with, "do you really want to be stuck with me 24/7?" and she reconsiders.

Maybe in the next decade the church could build a golf resort, ala City Center. You could be a friendly playing partner they pair with resort guests everyday and Sister Vandelay could accompany the spouses to the spa? You're high up the totem pole, send that idea to SLC!

[Art Vandelay]

Maybe in the next decade the church could build a golf resort, ala City Center. You could be a friendly playing partner they pair with resort guests everyday and Sister Vandelay could accompany the spouses to the spa? You're high up the totem pole, send that idea to SLC!

[CJF]

Maybe in the next decade the church could build a golf resort, ala City Center. You could be a friendly playing partner they pair with resort guests everyday and Sister Vandelay could accompany the spouses to the spa? You're high up the totem pole, send that idea to SLC!

Great idea. Iraq seems like the perfect location.

[cougjunkie]

AP Poll releases their all time top 100 schools.

Big 12 rankings:

Oklahoma (2)
Texas (8)
West Virginia (33)
BYU (34)
TCU (39)
Oklahoma State (43)
Kansas State (44)
Baylor (47)
Houston (49)
Texas Tech (58)
Kansas (63)
Iowa State (83)

For those scoring at home, utah is 64th, behind Kansas.

[HuskyFreeNorthwest]

AP Poll releases their all time top 100 schools.

Big 12 rankings:

Oklahoma (2)
Texas (8)
West Virginia (33)
BYU (34)
TCU (39)
Oklahoma State (43)
Kansas State (44)
Baylor (47)
Houston (49)
Texas Tech (58)
Kansas (63)
Iowa State (83)

For those scoring at home, utah is 64th, behind Kansas.

This list has the same problem most all time lists have, people voting put history into the equation for the top few spots then it doesn't make sense. I have a hard time saying that all time Oregon is 6 spots ahead of BYU all time. Baylor all time in the top 50 is laughable. Duke at 53 only works if some of the basketball success also counts for football.

[Uncle Ted]

Expansion is not a problem with FOX...

FOX Continues Support for Big 12 Expansion with G5 Teams

There was recently an article from the Sports Business Daily in which the authors claimed that both FOX and ESPN were "pushing back" against the Big 12 in regards to expansion. The article claimed that the two major sports networks felt that adding teams from the Group of Five would dilute the product the conference was putting out.


This could not be further from the truth.


FOX has been one of the leading proponents of Big 12 expansion over the last year as the network tries to get more college sports to air across its family of channels. This has been discussed repeatedly in the past, because FOX Sports only has the tier 1 TV rights to the Big 12 and Pac-12. Meanwhile, ESPN has tier 1 rights to the SEC, ACC, partial Big Ten, BYU, The American and many others.


This means that the only football program east of the Mississippi under contract with FOX for tier 1 television rights is West Virginia. FOX wants more product to air in the Eastern time zone. The network wants more product to air, period. The other option is to pay ESPN for content to air and no business wants to pay its competitor for their product.


ESPN has had some issues with Big 12 expansion, but that is mostly due to the targets the Big 12 wants. The league has had discussions with and about Cincinnati and Memphis for months, in addition to Houston, UConn, BYU and others. The first four schools listed are all in the American Athletic Conference, which is under contract with ESPN. BYU is also tied to ESPN through a contract to air home games in Provo. Colorado State is the only team that the Big 12 has seriously considered and isn't tied directly to ESPN.

So the truth is that yes, ESPN would like the Big 12 to avoid poaching its hottest Group of Five property - the AAC - or take away BYU, which has a buyout clause in case a Power Five comes knocking. However, FOX wants, needs and is driving this round of expansion in order to compete with ESPN and avoid continually paying its competitor for content to air.


We have all been there on a Saturday afternoon, flipping through the channels and seen six different football games airing across ESPN, ABC, CBS and their family of networks while Fox Sports 1 airs an MMA repeat. That is what FOX wants to avoid.


The Big 12 is not in a position to poach teams from a Power Five conference. The Pac-12 is under contract with FOX, which means the league would be biting the hand that feeds if it looked west. The ACC has a new grant of rights that puts all of its schools off limits and the idea of the Big 12 luring a Big Ten or SEC team away is honestly just laughable.


The only option is to poach teams from the Group of Five. FOX wants the Big 12 to do it for content and the league wants to do it so it can survive. It really is just that simple.

http://www.bcsnn.com/big-xii/9221-fo...-g5-teams.html

[myboynoah]

AP Poll releases their all time top 100 schools.

Big 12 rankings:

Oklahoma (2)
Texas (8)
West Virginia (33)
BYU (34)
TCU (39)
Oklahoma State (43)
Kansas State (44)
Baylor (47)
Houston (49)
Texas Tech (58)
Kansas (63)
Iowa State (83)

For those scoring at home, utah is 64th, behind Kansas.

Yikes, behind Kansas.

[Paperback Writer]

This list has the same problem most all time lists have, people voting put history into the equation for the top few spots then it doesn't make sense. I have a hard time saying that all time Oregon is 6 spots ahead of BYU all time. Baylor all time in the top 50 is laughable. Duke at 53 only works if some of the basketball success also counts for football.

It's based on AP poll history for the all-time rankings so its seems quantitative to me and makes sense. I didn't find any surprises in the top #25 all-time.